Are The Klitschkos Some of The Worst Heavyweight Champions Of All Time?

[beez721]

Yes. It cant even be debated.

actually it can be debated and is. if you put the most boringest in there then ud have a case

[KBRO]

wlad has the power and snap in his punches to end fights much sooner tho. vitali is more of a clubber so its more understanding with him but wlad could be getting alot more early knockouts if he wouldnt be so heistant in letting his punches go. thats why people gets so frustrated with him including myself and its understandable

Thing is what you're doing or saying is holding the fighter's success or worth against them. You are giving a compliment by insulting. If Wlad did what you stated perhaps he wouldn't be as successful or dominant.. in fact if any great fighter did more than they actually did.. they wouldn't be the same fighter... you're holding Wlad's strengths against him instead of just stating how much more dominant he could be if he let his hands go without criticizing...


I agree that he's way too safe to the point of being utterly reluctant to even give his opponent a chance to tee off or put combos together before putting them in a stranglehold...



For instance John Ruiz EMPLOYED similar strategy but because he wasn't expected to ko his opponent into oblivion... fans accepted his limitations.. when Wlad does it EVEN though he does throw punches with bad intentions.. he's vilified because of his own success... Can't have it both ways... you can't say the Klitschko's aren't great & then criticize them because they are not fighting up to your considerable standards of them.

[Weltschmerz]

If they we're American,they'd be talked about like Deontay Wilder is being talked about now.and he hasn't competed in a single title fight !

The fact is if they were American or British,they would be adhered too by the Americans or Brits,respectively.I don't hear of the British press singing the praises of either Ward or Hopkins.David Haye was to be on PPV and his title fights at heavyweight have been nothing short of embarrassing to say the least,to the point that Sky had to cancel PPV indefinatly,until Carl Froch reinstated it with gutsy,exciting displays with stoppages versus Lucian Bute and Yusaf Mack,had it not been for the careful plotting of Hearn and Froch,Fury and Haye would not have made PPV,it is simple.

This debate is farcical,due to their nationalities they receive an unjust shake,its apparent and evident.

Andre Ward's fights are horrendous to watch yet he is on HBO,Bernard Hopkins is on Showtime,both pay pay view right ?

RTL have a 15 million 5 fight deal with K2,thats 3 million a fight unless I am mistaken,those figures must be close to that upon which either Klitschko would receive from PPV if they were screened in the Uk or States surely.

Nationality does matter in this case.

[JAB5239]

Nationality does matter in this case.

Nationality only matters to people who need excuses.

[LacedUp]

Wladimir was with Sdunek when he lost to Sanders. Wladimir started training with Steward in 2004... his first fight with Brewster was April 10, 2004...so he must have only been with Steward a few months at that point. Not enough time to get accustomed to Steward. But his next fight against Brewster was July 7, 2007, so he had over 3 years to get comfortable under Steward's methods.

True. I was just pointing it out.

[LacedUp]

If they we're American,they'd be talked about like Deontay Wilder is being talked about now.and he hasn't competed in a single title fight !

The fact is if they were American or British,they would be adhered too by the Americans or Brits,respectively.I don't hear of the British press singing the praises of either Ward or Hopkins.David Haye was to be on PPV and his title fights at heavyweight have been nothing short of embarrassing to say the least,to the point that Sky had to cancel PPV indefinatly,until Carl Froch reinstated it with gutsy,exciting displays with stoppages versus Lucian Bute and Yusaf Mack,had it not been for the careful plotting of Hearn and Froch,Fury and Haye would not have made PPV,it is simple.

This debate is farcical,due to their nationalities they receive an unjust shake,its apparent and evident.

Andre Ward's fights are horrendous to watch yet he is on HBO,Bernard Hopkins is on Showtime,both pay pay view right ?

RTL have a 15 million 5 fight deal with K2,thats 3 million a fight unless I am mistaken,those figures must be close to that upon which either Klitschko would receive from PPV if they were screened in the Uk or States surely.

Neither Ward or Hopkins fight on PPV, so that argument is invalid.

Also, there was PPV after Haye vs Harrison, so that's another argument you can put to bed right there. Fact is, there simply weren't any fights worthy of Sky PPV for a while. If you can name me one, be my guest.

[LacedUp]

The Klitschko's combined have defeated 17 undefeated fighters = More than 15% of there entire opposition.

They were the first to STOP more than 20 opponents who never were stopped before = Almost 20% of there entire opposition got ko'ed for the first time & most of them were Never ko'ed again!

Right.. and who were those undefeated fighters?

Wach, Charr, Pianeta, Ibragimov, Brock, Peter, Eliseo Castillo, Vujecic, Shaheed, Solis (260 pounds), Kevin Johnson, Timo Hoffman etc etc.

I'm not saying there aren't one of two respectable ones, but they're mostly a pile of crap that hadn't done anything particularly impressive to stay undefeated. It's not a specific feat being undefeated if you haven't fought against anybody noteworthy.

But it does in Klitschko land so you can defend Pianeta "because he's undefeated". I mean, come on. Never in history has there been so much focus on being undefeated.

[New England]

tommy burns.

thanks, canada.

[TOBYLEE1]

This poll is a little biased. The K bros are the best HW of this era

[KBRO]

Right.. and who were those undefeated fighters?

Wach, Charr, Pianeta, Ibragimov, Brock, Peter, Eliseo Castillo, Vujecic, Shaheed, Solis (260 pounds), Kevin Johnson, Timo Hoffman etc etc.

I'm not saying there aren't one of two respectable ones, but they're mostly a pile of crap that hadn't done anything particularly impressive to stay undefeated. It's not a specific feat being undefeated if you haven't fought against anybody noteworthy.

But it does in Klitschko land so you can defend Pianeta "because he's undefeated". I mean, come on. Never in history has there been so much focus on being undefeated.

True... anyone can be undefeated & not be particularly impressive in the opposition they've faced.. most of those fighters were ranked. To me the true tale of the tape is how the Klitschko's fared against them as opposed to everyone else that has fought them.... this to me creates the separation.. esp. when you've been the ONLY fighter to be able to knock them out. When there's no available alltime great fighters to be fought...



This is the ONLY factual way to gauge a fighter's worth..... stating there worth for NOT facing who wasn't available to face them is when fabrication & opinions become laden.. focusing on something that was literally impossible to have occurred & claiming that's the criteria for greatness is bs.. you go on what you have.. you don't go on some fantasy opinion laden matchups & say the brother's did NOT participate therefore all they've accomplished is some sort of other boxing league that all other former greats didn't partake in.



IT'S THE SAME GODDAMN HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION that has been in existence for the past 100 yrs or so.. there's the same two or 3 alltime greats that are occupying an era... nothing is different.... only thing factual is there dominance.. everything else is all opinion driven .. weak era.. weak comp... truth be told NONE of us can say for certain that both Klitschko's aren't responsible for making all these opponents worse than they actually are.




There's a very big possibility & it's in there favor that they are doing just that but none of us want to pursue that very viable route because it destroys there belief that it's the opposition that is making the brother's look so unbeatable when it quite possibly may be the other way around.