Are The Klitschkos Some of The Worst Heavyweight Champions Of All Time?

[LacedUp]

True... anyone can be undefeated & not be particularly impressive in the opposition they've faced.. most of those fighters were ranked. To me the true tale of the tape is how the Klitschko's fared against them as opposed to everyone else that has fought them.... this to me creates the separation.. esp. when you've been the ONLY fighter to be able to knock them out. When there's no available alltime great fighters to be fought...



This is the ONLY factual way to gauge a fighter's worth..... stating there worth for NOT facing who wasn't available to face them is when fabrication & opinions become laden.. focusing on something that was literally impossible to have occurred & claiming that's the criteria for greatness is bs.. you go on what you have.. you don't go on some fantasy opinion laden matchups & say the brother's did NOT participate therefore all they've accomplished is some sort of other boxing league that all other former greats didn't partake in.



IT'S THE SAME GODDAMN HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION that has been in existence for the past 100 yrs or so.. there's the same two or 3 alltime greats that are occupying an era... nothing is different.... only thing factual is there dominance.. everything else is all opinion driven .. weak era.. weak comp... truth be told NONE of us can say for certain that both Klitschko's aren't responsible for making all these opponents worse than they actually are.




There's a very big possibility & it's in there favor that they are doing just that but none of us want to pursue that very viable route because it destroys there belief that it's the opposition that is making the brother's look so unbeatable when it quite possibly may be the other way around.

Well I can use the eyes I have in my head and clearly see that these so called "contenders" are coming to a title fight in no shape at all, first and foremost. Look at Arreola vs Vitali, or Solis vs Vitali. Or Mormeck, Rahman, Peter (II) vs Wlad. When they aren't even in shape, how can we compare them to past contenders that were rock-solid and ready to go 15 rounds. these guys can go 4 rounds and then they fall over from pure exhaustion. It's pathetic. Anybody who dares to claim that the average contender from this era is equal to or better than the average contender of any good era is a straight up idiot and not worth mine or anybody elses time.

There's no head movement, no footwork, no style, no skill or tactics. It's just face-first defending hoping to land that sweet money-punch on Wlad's chin in the first 3 rounds and otherwise just picking up your cheque - which btw, is also not impressive.

[KBRO]

Look at Brock.. Peter.. Arreola... these guys all looked like world beaters until they faced a Klitschko & that's just to name a few... they would've all held belts.. Peter actually did... we have Wilder now & Fury.... these fighters would be holding belts by now.. when they eventually face a Klitschko they will most likely be exposed as inferior fighters & these fighters are the same size for all those claiming the Klitschko's aren't picking on anybody there own size....

The Klitschko's are the strongest boxers in the world.... this means they are the best of the superheavies & anything below that... that's the reality of what's occurring here.

[LacedUp]

Look at Brock.. Peter.. Arreola... these guys all looked like world beaters until they faced a Klitschko & that's just to name a few... they would've all held belts.. Peter actually did... we have Wilder now & Fury.... these fighters would be holding belts by now.. when they eventually face a Klitschko they will most likely be exposed as inferior fighters & these fighters are the same size for all those claiming the Klitschko's aren't picking on anybody there own size....

The Klitschko's are the strongest boxers in the world.... this means they are the best of the superheavies & anything below that... that's the reality of what's occurring here.

They absolutely did not look like world beaters, what are you talking about?

Neither Fury or Wilder looks like world beaters either, they are not well enough schooled. The only one that was any kind of a real threat with a champions swagger was Haye - and we of course all know how that went.

This is not a knock on the klitschko's, but they happen to fight in a poor poor era. it sucks for them.

[KBRO]

Well I can use the eyes I have in my head and clearly see that these so called "contenders" are coming to a title fight in no shape at all, first and foremost. Look at Arreola vs Vitali, or Solis vs Vitali. Or Mormeck, Rahman, Peter (II) vs Wlad. When they aren't even in shape, how can we compare them to past contenders that were rock-solid and ready to go 15 rounds. these guys can go 4 rounds and then they fall over from pure exhaustion. It's pathetic. Anybody who dares to claim that the average contender from this era is equal to or better than the average contender of any good era is a straight up idiot and not worth mine or anybody elses time.

There's no head movement, no footwork, no style, no skill or tactics. It's just face-first defending hoping to land that sweet money-punch on Wlad's chin in the first 3 rounds and otherwise just picking up your cheque - which btw, is also not impressive.

Past eras have had there share of out of shape journeymen & contenders.. you're the fool if you're equating them against in shape contenders of the past... Most of there opposition have been in fighting shape.. they've had the same results vs both.. I could name the same number in any era when it comes to that. WHY DON'T you just state the truth..


The Klitschko's have jabs that are mostly impenetrable.. the fact that they have this along with power in the right hand to thwart anyone who attempts to get through this offensive guard.. sorry but this combination of size.. strength & rimrod jabS has never been seen before & that's why you have domination & please Lennox Lewis didn't have that strong a deterrent of a jab.. Holmes didn't have power or the size....


Bowe had a good combination of all three but not as superior... The brother's have tools that no one else ever has & that's why they are getting the results no one else ever has in the division... it's as simple as that.

[LacedUp]

Past eras have had there share of out of shape journeymen & contenders.. you're the fool if you're equating them against in shape contenders of the past... Most of there opposition have been in fighting shape.. they've had the same results vs both.. I could name the same number in any era when it comes to that. WHY DON'T you just state the truth..


The Klitschko's have jabs that are mostly impenetrable.. the fact that they have this along with power in the right hand to thwart anyone who attempts to get through this offensive guard.. sorry but this combination of size.. strength & rimrod jabS has never been seen before & that's why you have domination & please Lennox Lewis didn't have that strong a deterrent of a jab.. Holmes didn't have power or the size....


Bowe had a good combination of all three but not as superior... The brother's have tools that no one else ever has & that's why they are getting the results no one else ever has in the division... it's as simple as that.

Had a feeling I was dealing with a nuthugger.

- Andrew out.

[JAB5239]

Past eras have had there share of out of shape journeymen & contenders.. you're the fool if you're equating them against in shape contenders of the past... Most of there opposition have been in fighting shape.. they've had the same results vs both.. I could name the same number in any era when it comes to that. WHY DON'T you just state the truth..


The Klitschko's have jabs that are mostly impenetrable.. the fact that they have this along with power in the right hand to thwart anyone who attempts to get through this offensive guard.. sorry but this combination of size.. strength & rimrod jabS has never been seen before & that's why you have domination & please Lennox Lewis didn't have that strong a deterrent of a jab.. Holmes didn't have power or the size....


Bowe had a good combination of all three but not as superior... The brother's have tools that no one else ever has & that's why they are getting the results no one else ever has in the division... it's as simple as that.

Your knowledge of boxing history is terrible. How about Sonny Liston? Oh, he was only 6'1" so it doesnt count. Why not discuss all the things they dont do, body punching being the most important?

[KBRO]

They absolutely did not look like world beaters, what are you talking about?

Neither Fury or Wilder looks like world beaters either, they are not well enough schooled. The only one that was any kind of a real threat with a champions swagger was Haye - and we of course all know how that went.

This is not a knock on the klitschko's, but they happen to fight in a poor poor era. it sucks for them.

You just stated my point about Haye... yes we all know how that went..... was there any excuse of toe jam in any of his other fights? Or was it not his superior competition that garnered those results? Haye is the perfect example as he is actually the last belt holder & probably the most skilled opposition they've faced in the past decade.

Wilder definitely looks like a world beater with 30 stoppages in as many fights.. none going past 4rds... I don't care who you've fought.... even guys fighting complete tomatoe cans in the amateurs would be hard pressed to duplicate that statistic... until somebody survives his power past the fourth we have to assume his power is real regardless of comp... we can laugh about Deontay all we want but the fact that no one ever started there career in this type of fashion is to give him the benefit of the doubt without any doubt.


Funny how the Klitschko's are being vilified in the same exact manner Deontay is despite having all the championship pedigree to fall back on... to hear some of you.. IT'S as if the Klitschko's & Wilder are one & the same.

[KBRO]

Had a feeling I was dealing with a nuthugger.

- Andrew out.

Funny.... that's the answer I always get when I've exposed a hater with the truth.

[KBRO]

Your knowledge of boxing history is terrible. How about Sonny Liston? Oh, he was only 6'1" so it doesnt count. Why not discuss all the things they dont do, body punching being the most important?

You're swaying from the categories that was listed.. It's like Lebron James.... power.... speed.. court vision.. a combination we've never seen before... Liston being 6 ft 1 already discounts him.... I'M TALKING ABOUT SIZE..STRENGTH.. JABS.. RIGHT HANDS.... DISTANCE & SPACING..... even you can admit we've never had something like this in abundance with two said fighters... & then we all claim that it's the comp making them this superior... they have a combination of tools at there disposal that simply put no one there size has ever had & that's why we're getting the results we've come accustomed to.... the sooner you realize this truth the less hate you will have for the overall results.

[KBRO]

Your knowledge of boxing history is terrible. How about Sonny Liston? Oh, he was only 6'1" so it doesnt count. Why not discuss all the things they dont do, body punching being the most important?

If they implemented body punching.. then they'd be 111-0.... god does have a heart! Have they ever needed to go to the body when the head alone gets the job done over 99% of all the opposition they've ever faced.