why is floyd- khan a bad fight, yet pacquiao rios is good?

[Rome-By-Ko]

Floyd fans are the worst.

instead of downing Pacquiao versus Rios they should be saying style make fights, and being cool with the fight not downing it. This way they can justify Kahn vs. Floyd, saying style makes fights, but instead they have to go the compare route and again down Pac's fights to make Floyd look better or to justify his fight.

They can never praise Pacman.

That is their first mistake, they keep sticking their foot in their mouth by discrediting Pacman just like with the catchweights for years every thread they would post catchweight king like annoying low IQ lemmings just like a broken record, many times no other reply but catchweight king was left just spamming.

Than Floyd fights one they try to justify it, they didn't want to give Pac credit for beasting on Cotto a guy Floyd didn't fight in his prime, and had the nerve to say Cotto was revived when Floyd fought him? but before that Pac was in talks for a rematch and they were saying Cotto was shot and Pac would beat him easy at 154, and than when Floyd has a tough fight with Cotto they say Floyd just did it on purpose to give the fans blood lol, and than said this Cotto would destroy Pacquiao.

How about just say both are good fights, and styles make fights? you know why they can't do that because they spent so many years hating on fighters especially pacquiao and discrediting them to make Floyd look better that they ****ed up.

The floyd fans are nothing but Haters.

There is nothing that can be said to justify Mayweather vs Khan..That fight is a joke at this point..I'll treat it as such if it ever get's made..

[FrankJack]

Sorry you can't hold Manny accountable for avoiding Sergio. Sergio never called out Manny he wanted Floyd and even said **** about Manny saying he was too small even sampson his manager said that.e.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vy6XG19tX8

Sergio actually did call out Manny. This is one of the interviews in which he does so. Although, I will admit, I think Sergio, himself, didnt see much chance of that fight happening. he did focus the majority of his attention on Floyd. In regards to Paul Williams, if I remember right, he had been a contender for some time and wanted a piece of both fighters for a while. I could be wrong on that, but I had thought I read an interview that he wanted a fight with at least Floyd after his victory over Wright.

[The Big Dunn]

We know it's not always about weight tho bro,that's really all I'm saying..Rios has most certainly fought at a higher level then Brook at this point of both their respective careers..If Pac could fight Garcia or Matt's for instants,they would be more credible opponents then Rios or Brook even tho neither have fought at WW before..It's about the class of fighter,and Rios(up to this point)has proven to be ahead of Brook in their respective careers..

Yes, he has fought better comp at lower weights than brook has at ww, But he got outclassed by ABril even though he got the decision and he split with Alvarado.

Being fair, we just don't kno if rios best attributes will come up with him at ww. Not knowing that means its bewteen extremely difficult and impossible to use this fight to see where manny is relative to the other elite ww's.

Which has been my main point. None of us are saying manny isn't still an elite ww. We are saying we don't know what he has left. IMO a real ww gives us a better idea of were he is and what he has left.

I think most would agree elite ww's can fight comeback fights against non elite ww's (which a porter or a brook, for example, surely is).

[Rome-By-Ko]

Yes, he has fought better comp at lower weights than brook has at ww, But he got outclassed by ABril even though he got the decision and he split with Alvarado.

Being fair, we just don't kno if rios best attributes will come up with him at ww. Not knowing that means its bewteen extremely difficult and impossible to use this fight to see where manny is relative to the other elite ww's.

Which has been my main point. None of us are saying manny isn't still an elite ww. We are saying we don't know what he has left. IMO a real ww gives us a better idea of were he is and what he has left.

I think most would agree elite ww's can fight comeback fights against non elite ww's (which a porter or a brook, for example, surely is).

I get your point(I don't believe your a hater or anything tbh)but it's just a good come back fight against a decent fighter..I really don't mind it,and tbh honest I don't think I'm going to order it either..I'm letting my sis BF order this one(lol,hell I got the May Alvarez and Bradley Marquez fights anyway,leave this one for someone else),it does not mean it's not a legit fight tho..

There are always unknowns,there was questions when Mosley moved up to fight Hoya..Yet everyone was accepting,I'm not putting Rios in that class..Just pointing out there are always questions when a fighter is moving up..

I also don't agree with Abril outclassing Rios,I had that fight close..I thought Abril won in the end,but outclassed is a bit of an overstatement imo..

[hectari]

I would like to think this is not the case with Dunn,I like him and he makes valid arguments and has very good boxing knowledge..I kinda see his point,but at the same time..Who is there for Pac to fight??I mean Bradley and Marquez were fighting each other,Thurman Broner Lopez all fight for GBp..Nobody wants to see Pac vs Vargas..Only knock I can see is that maybe he should have fought Alvarado..Outside of that,I think this is a reasonable fight..

LOL Dunn is horrible in debates, its why I blocked him, was giving him a lot of good rebuttals and than he stooped to hurling childish insults at me when he couldn't answer. he also reported me several times for "RACISM" like a snitch. He also keeps ignoring complete rebuttals and picks something small to argue back, if you answer him. Its why people don't like debating with this hater.

[hectari]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vy6XG19tX8

Sergio actually did call out Manny. This is one of the interviews in which he does so. Although, I will admit, I think Sergio, himself, didnt see much chance of that fight happening. he did focus the majority of his attention on Floyd. In regards to Paul Williams, if I remember right, he had been a contender for some time and wanted a piece of both fighters for a while. I could be wrong on that, but I had thought I read an interview that he wanted a fight with at least Floyd after his victory over Wright.

Sergio calling out Floyd and Pac is pathetic though, but only reason he focused mainly on Floyd is because Floyd was discrediting Pacman win at 150 and saying he fights at the full 154 limit and doesn't drain guys. Pacman on the other hand admit that 150 was too much for him to handle, Floyd never said anything so of course Sergio will focus on him.

[HeroBando]

Rios is less ready for manny than Brook is. Brandon Rios has no business in the ring against an elite ww whether he is coming off a KO loss or not.

Rios has a KO win over a (huge) top 10 JWW, and 4 KO wins over top 10 LWs. Brook has 0 wins over top 15 fighters in any division

Besides, Brook would have to want the fight.

[The Big Dunn]

I get your point(I don't believe your a hater or anything tbh)but it's just a good come back fight against a decent fighter..I really don't mind it,and tbh honest I don't think I'm going to order it either..I'm letting my sis BF order this one(lol,hell I got the May Alvarez and Bradley Marquez fights anyway,leave this one for someone else),it does not mean it's not a legit fight tho..

There are always unknowns,there was questions when Mosley moved up to fight Hoya..Yet everyone was accepting,I'm not putting Rios in that class..Just pointing out there are always questions when a fighter is moving up..

I also don't agree with Abril outclassing Rios,I had that fight close..I thought Abril won in the end,but outclassed is a bit of an overstatement imo..

I am a floyd fan and do not feel the need to apologize for it. I have been VERY critical of manny, sometimes unfairly, I take jabs at his personal life, sometimes unnecessarily, I do not give him the benefit of the doubt as other posters do, and I am the first one to respond to what I percieve is a bull**** post from one of his fringe fans, often in a mean spirited way. I post the truth about manny. when I'm worng, I apologize. I hold him to the same standard posters hold floyd and when posters go in on say a Broner for possibly having AIDS I remind them Manny could too.

On this one I am not doing any of the above. I responded to bushbaby's post and I stand by it. there are valid criticisms of this fight. Even with those criticisms, it doesn't change the fact that the floyd/khan fight is an absolute ****ty, crap fiht that I hope doesn't happen.

This fight is very similar and is justifiable for the same financial annd political reasons that one could use to justify floyd/khan.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

if you MUST compare the matchups for the sake of some bratty, whiny, over privileged, line-in-the-sand, fake poser fanboy reasoning...this isnt a head scratcher. they are both fights against lesser opponents with zero fights at welter weight.

a fight's merit should--and i stress should because a lot of fanboy punks are ******--be gauged by if we can predetermine the outcome.

the main difference between these fights is that pac is coming off a brutal loss and we dont know what kind of form he's in. there is a greater chance that fight wont go as planned than there is with a floyd fight v Khan.

[The Big Dunn]

LOL Dunn is horrible in debates, its why I blocked him, was giving him a lot of good rebuttals and than he stooped to hurling childish insults at me when he couldn't answer. he also reported me several times for "RACISM" like a snitch. He also keeps ignoring complete rebuttals and picks something small to argue back, if you answer him. Its why people don't like debating with this hater.

thats not why you blocked me, you got mad because I called you out on the black power fl0wmo crap.

Rios has a KO win over a (huge) top 10 JWW, and 4 KO wins over top 10 LWs. Brook has 0 wins over top 15 fighters in any division

Besides, Brook would have to want the fight.

the above may be true but it has no bearing on how he will perform in a fight at ww. its shameful for you to even post that.

You are trying to justify rios getting this fight and there is none other than he is likely to produce a profitable, exciting fight where he loses. that is the exact logic of the floyd/khan fight.

the question is does manny coming off the ko mitigate it?

IMO, no becuase losing by KO doesn't mean manny is no longer an elite ww, especially considering IMO he beat Tim and he lost the JMM fight becuase of a technical, correctable mistake.