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  • MamaHuevo
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    #71
    Originally posted by IronDanHamza
    What difference does it make of it was a hard punch or not?

    He punched him when his back was turned on the break and that's flat out illegal.

    How many times did Murat punch Hopkins hard on the break? Why weren't they "taps"?

    Seems like it's one rule for one and another for the other.

    Both broke the rules on multiple occasions both should have been warned.
    Wow he did it once and did not get warned for a tap on the side. The question is did he keep doing that. I have seen plenty of fights that fighters do that ITS JUST A TAP no big deal. For one thing Murat should have not been turning his back to Hopkins there in a fight who does that. How about when Murat turned his back at the end of the fight did Hopkins hit on the back as well no. He seeked and went in front of him and started throwing. If Hopkins tap more than once I can understand the ref warning him or taking a point. But he tap him once which was nothing and he did it like in the second round. Its tap not a hit big difference if he would have hit hard and if Murat could not continue then you DQ.

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    • -PBP-
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      #72
      ****m was right. People have preconceived notions about Hopkins and it affects how they view each of his fights. Luckily we have refs like Steve Smoger to enforce the rules on the real dirty fighters like Karo Murat.

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      • boxingfocus
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        #73
        Originally posted by IronDanHamza
        Both broke the rules on multiple occasions both should have been warned.
        For once, BHop was the one on the receiving end of the most dirty fouls. You can't equate the two for their fouls.

        And just to show you how much of a tw@t Murat is, he then claimed the cuts were caused by butts - when it was good old fashioned clean punching that carved open his face.

        Punching BHop twice whilst down, punching on the break, punching after the bell, punching low, he did it all. He was *very* lucky not to be DQ'd. Most other refs likely would have done so. Smoger could see Hopkins was bossing it so let it go.

        Bernard was his usual bending the rules slightly, but a lot of his fouls seemed to be in retaliation - the after the bell shots were all in response, for example. You might argue he knew he had the beating of Murat so didn't so blatantly test the referee in this one. I'd have a hard time disagreeing with that. It was always the toughest fights that led Hopkins to push the boundaries of legal pugilism.

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        • IronDanHamza
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          #74
          Originally posted by MamaHuevo
          Wow he did it once and did not get warned for a tap on the side. The question is did he keep doing that. I have seen plenty of fights that fighters do that ITS JUST A TAP no big deal. For one thing Murat should have not been turning his back to Hopkins there in a fight who does that. How about when Murat turned his back at the end of the fight did Hopkins hit on the back as well no. He seeked and went in front of him and started throwing. If Hopkins tap more than once I can understand the ref warning him or taking a point. But he tap him once which was nothing and he did it like in the second round. Its tap not a hit big difference if he would have hit hard and if Murat could not continue then you DQ.
          You only need to do it once if the ref says break and you do it right infront of his eyes.

          That's quite an obvious example of a warnable offence.

          Hopkins did a lot of things worthy of a warning yet he wasn't given one.

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          • IronDanHamza
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            #75
            Originally posted by PBP
            ****m was right. People have preconceived notions about Hopkins and it affects how they view each of his fights. Luckily we have refs like Steve Smoger to enforce the rules on the real dirty fighters like Karo Murat.
            Absolute bull**** if I ever read it.

            Nothing affects anything.

            Both of them fouled and only one was warned.

            It's not difficult.

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            • Oasis_Lad
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              #76
              Naz is Richard Pryor?

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              • IronDanHamza
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                #77
                Originally posted by boxingfocus
                For once, BHop was the one on the receiving end of the most dirty fouls. You can't equate the two for their fouls.

                And just to show you how much of a tw@t Murat is, he then claimed the cuts were caused by butts - when it was good old fashioned clean punching that carved open his face.

                Punching BHop twice whilst down, punching on the break, punching after the bell, punching low, he did it all. He was *very* lucky not to be DQ'd. Most other refs likely would have done so. Smoger could see Hopkins was bossing it so let it go.

                Bernard was his usual bending the rules slightly, but a lot of his fouls seemed to be in retaliation - the after the bell shots were all in response, for example. You might argue he knew he had the beating of Murat so didn't so blatantly test the referee in this one. I'd have a hard time disagreeing with that. It was always the toughest fights that led Hopkins to push the boundaries of legal pugilism.
                It keeps going back to this.

                Yes, Murat was a a lot worse.

                The point is Hopkins was fouling/retaliating and the ref didn't say a word.

                You aren't allowed to foul, doing it in retaliation doesn't make it legal.

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                • junior gong
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by PBP
                  ****m was right. People have preconceived notions about Hopkins and it affects how they view each of his fights. Luckily we have refs like Steve Smoger to enforce the rules on the real dirty fighters like Karo Murat.
                  You sound like a child sulking there. Come on FFS, The reason people have the idea in their heads that Hopkins is a dirty fighter is because he is a dirty fighter.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by boxingfocus
                    For once, BHop was the one on the receiving end of the most dirty fouls. You can't equate the two for their fouls.

                    And just to show you how much of a tw@t Murat is, he then claimed the cuts were caused by butts - when it was good old fashioned clean punching that carved open his face.

                    Punching BHop twice whilst down, punching on the break, punching after the bell, punching low, he did it all. He was *very* lucky not to be DQ'd. Most other refs likely would have done so. Smoger could see Hopkins was bossing it so let it go.

                    Bernard was his usual bending the rules slightly, but a lot of his fouls seemed to be in retaliation - the after the bell shots were all in response, for example. You might argue he knew he had the beating of Murat so didn't so blatantly test the referee in this one. I'd have a hard time disagreeing with that. It was always the toughest fights that led Hopkins to push the boundaries of legal pugilism.
                    This post is a masterpiece. I agree with everything.

                    Its a shame how people defend dirty fighters like Karo Murat. His fouls were blatant and Steve Smoger was sick of it. So sick of it that he probably was lenient on anything Hopkins did in retaliation. You can't compare love taps on the hip to hitting a man while he's down or trying to intentionally headbutt him after the final bell. Or how about those 2 blatant low blows in the 12th round that Smoger let Murat get away with?

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                    • El Angel
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