Do Wlad's 3 defeats hamper his ATG status?

[LacedUp]

Well Wlad didn't wear t-shirts with Povetkin's torn off head and claim he would save the HW division while doing so. Shows how limited you are in a discussion when you have to include your poster boy in your argument once again.

So? What matters is what happens in the ring. It shows my limitations? Lol.

I only brought Haye's name up because you talk about him daily, and outside of Wlad and Vitali is probably the only fighter you actively follow. You still bring up his performance against Wlad, completely disregarding some of the very very entertaining fights he's had. Yet you won't accept other people judging Wlad based on the Povetkin fight, even though he's had equal stinkers on many other occassions. smh.

To think you have the time to post messages and give me gifts just because you don't have any valid points to make against my argument is laughable, and shows how limited YOU are.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

They hamper him to a certain extent,, every loss has takes alittle away, except for past prime totally shot fighters losing,,,

joe louis lost to charles and marciano
roy jones lost to danny green, lebedev
SRL lost to norris and camacho
toney lost to lebedev and browne

But those losses shouldnt affect their ATG status as they were way past prime

conversely alot of great fighters have lost early in their careers,,,
JMM lost early
Rafa Marquez lost early
donaire lost early
Terry norris lost early

They all went on to have major success

I dont think its a huge deal breaker for wlad, but i do think it hurts him alittle, if he was undefeated now, or just had the purrity lose, he would be higher ranked,,, losing 2 title fights by brutal ko's to fringe contenders like Sanders and Brewster does take the shine away for your career alittle bit

[joe strong]

He had more than 40 pro fights at the time he lost to both Brewster and Sanders. Hardly green.

On note, of course it hurts him. Not because they were losses, but because they were losses to guys he was supposed to beat comfortably. Like Sanders who came in a couple of weeks before and accepted the fight completely out of shape to destroy him. Doesn't exactly look good on his resume.

The fact that he never avenged those defeats also hurt his resume too. Sure he avenged Lamon Brewster, but only after he'd already lost again and not fought in over a year.

If he hadn't had those losses of course his status would be higher. No brainer.

too be honest you are wrong here as sanders was the 11th opponent offered the fight. he got in the best shape of his career for this fight & even shaved his mustache. sanders was ready for wlad... wlad wasn't ready for him... he totally disregarded sanders as an opponent. rahman had done the same & almost paid for it. it's all talked about in the HBO version of the fight...

[New England]

of course they do.


i've never been one to discount losses. you are who you beat, but you're also who you could not beat / who beat you.


we look to the losses, and to their context. it can be argued that wladimir didn't really hit his stride / prime until after the first sam peter fight.

[joe strong]

Blame the man who came to fight. Makes sense.

With regards to the bold, the problem is that it is not just one fight. Wlad is never exciting. He was mildly exciting vs Wach who was just a human punching bag, and moderatly exciting vs Peter in their second fight.

In all other fights he's holding, clinching, grabbing, jabbing and throws zero body shots. I'm not saying zero as in 'he didn't throw that many body shots' I mean he threw literally ZERO body shots. And it is certainly not the first time that's happened. Also happened vs Haye.

This guy is very effective at what he does when the ref lets him lean his 245 pound weight on opponents who are 4-5 inches shorter and weighs much less.

No one should defend anything Wlad did in that fight, it was truly the most awful world title fight i've ever seen. Bare in mind, I have sat through my fair share of Hopkins fights.

he made john "huggy bear" ruiz & henry "I want to hump your leg" akinwande proud against povetkin...

[LacedUp]

too be honest you are wrong here as sanders was the 11th opponent offered the fight. he got in the best shape of his career for this fight & even shaved his mustache. sanders was ready for wlad... wlad wasn't ready for him... he totally disregarded sanders as an opponent. rahman had done the same & almost paid for it. it's all talked about in the HBO version of the fight...

In fairness, he probably was in shape, I just remember him coming in very late in the process.

[LacedUp]

he made john "huggy bear" ruiz & henry "I want to hump your leg" akinwande proud against povetkin...

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[BafanaBafana]

I don't believe anybody defeats Wlad today, not even a Lennox Lewis pushing 50. But the three defeats Wlad had, to which extent do they damage his rep as an ATG HW?

They certainly do damage to his legacy to an extent but considering he was still raw at the time, they probably shouldn't affect his legacy quite as much as Lennox's KO losses.

[joe strong]

In fairness, he probably was in shape, I just remember him coming in very late in the process.

I can't recall the time he had to train but he got in career best shape. lennox lewis called him before the fight & gave him a few pointers. if wlad beat sanders lennox was going to give him a title shot. wlad offered 10 other unnamed opponents the biggest paydays of their careers to get in the ring with him. all turned him down. sanders had made a name for himself when he was brought in as an opponent to fight rahman. to this day rahman said he never had been hit that hard by anyone including getting cleanly knocked out by lennox & maskaev...

[LacedUp]

They certainly do damage to his legacy to an extent but considering he was a still raw at the time, they probably won't shouldn't affect his legacy quite as much as Lennox KO losses.

Why are you saying he was raw? He had more fights when he lost to Sanders and Brewster than Lewis had his whole career! He was a seasoned pro and a heavy fav, there shouldn't be any excuses. They were crap losses. Just as Rahman and McCall were for Lewis.

Don't get the comparison though. Lewis fought for rematches straight away, Wlad avoided his.