Is Danny Garcias resume now better then Hattons?

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  • Dirk Diggler UK
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    #91
    Originally posted by LacedUp
    So you are going against two world champions for a guy with 4 losses and no belt, and a guy with 7 losses and no belt.

    That's just insane. Maussa (2 losses) and Urango (undefeated) are clearly wins on an entirely different levels than gatekeepers Campbell and Holt.
    Lol...Maussa was pretty terrible in all honesty. He did just KO Vivian Harris somehow in the fight before Hatton though.

    I would rate Kendall Holt over them but then again, Holt was past it and irrelevant when Danny beat him. Urango/Maussa were reigning champions.

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      #92
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza
      I don't understand why Castillo and Urango are being included for Hatton but Judah, Morales, Holt etc aren't being included for Danny?

      They're at the very least on the same level

      Judah and Collazo are atleast the same level.

      Morales and Castillo are atleast the same level.

      Urango and Holt are not far apart.
      Urango/Holt and Morales/Castillo was not on the same level, come on dan. Morales was fat and out of shape, at least Castillo was on a run of wins.

      Originally posted by IronDanHamza
      Maussa is on a different level to Holt? How????

      Those 4 fighters are all around the same level especially Maussa.
      I'm not saying Moussa was particularly elite, but he was a champion and Holt was a gatekeeper.
      Last edited by LacedUp; 09-16-2013, 07:43 AM.

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      • Marvellous1
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        #93
        I think Hatton's resume is better at this point but Garcia has achieved more, quicker in his career. After 28 fights, Hatton's best wins were probably Thaxton and Tackie. Purely Frankie Fish Eyes fault, keeping Hatton at the MEN arena defending the worthless WBU title. Hatton achieved more than many will but Garcia has the time to surpass him.

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          #94
          Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
          Lol...Maussa was pretty terrible in all honesty. He did just KO Vivian Harris somehow in the fight before Hatton though.

          I would rate Kendall Holt over them but then again, Holt was past it and irrelevant when Danny beat him. Urango/Maussa were reigning champions.
          Listen, I'm not going to try and big him up to be something he wasn't. But he was better than Kendall Holt - come on.

          Holt was nothing but a guy who'd hang in there to give you a fight. He had been KOd by crap fighters and just wasn't that good.

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            #95
            Originally posted by LacedUp
            Urango/Holt and Morales/Castillo was not on the same level, come on dan. Morales was fat and out of shape and had no desire to fight, at least Castillo was on a good run.



            I'm not saying Moussa was particularly elite, but he was a champion and Holt was a gatekeeper.
            Castillo was beyond shot, beyond it. Morales was shot too but he was looking better than Castillo was. Both are definitely the same level.

            Maussa is terrible, he's awful. If Maussa is a legit win then Holt and Campbell are legit wins.

            If he counts for Hatton as a "solid win" then you've got to include the one's for Garcia.

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              #96
              Originally posted by LacedUp
              Listen, I'm not going to try and big him up to be something he wasn't. But he was better than Kendall Holt - come on.

              Holt was nothing but a guy who'd hang in there to give you a fight. He had been KOd by crap fighters and just wasn't that good.
              And what is Maussa? Maussa has one good win.

              If you include Maussa you have to include these fighters.

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                #97
                no, Garcia has a ways to go
                big props for Khan and Lucas, but he needs to do a little more
                he's got time, but Hatton has a win over Kostya
                that alone puts him far ahead, old Kostya was still dangerous
                Garcia stopped Lucas' big run, but he's hardly an ATG for it

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                  Castillo was beyond shot, beyond it. Morales was shot too but he was looking better than Castillo was. Both are definitely the same level.

                  Maussa is terrible, he's awful. If Maussa is a legit win then Holt and Campbell are legit wins.

                  If he counts for Hatton as a "solid win" then you've got to include the one's for Garcia.
                  Morales couldn't even make weight and looked like he just came in from the golfcourse. He was done. As I said earlier, I don't rate Castillo as anything but a name for Hatton, but at that - still ranks higher than fat morales for Garcia.

                  I also don't count Moussa as being a great win or anything like that for Hatton, but he had come off a KO win against Harris which is better than anything Campbell and Holt had managed in their career. And he was a champion, with only one or two losses, one by decision - and only got ko'd by a prime miguel cotto - no shame in that.

                  Both Holt and Campbell had come off multiple losses and also multiple KO losses - against poor fighters. I didn't like Moussa either, but he did more in a short space of time than Holt did in his whole career. Campbell came off multiple losses against Garcia.
                  Last edited by LacedUp; 09-16-2013, 07:53 AM.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                    And what is Maussa? Maussa has one good win.

                    If you include Maussa you have to include these fighters.
                    Which is more than what you can say for Holt, isn't it?

                    Campbell was a good fighter in his day, but was nothing but a gatekeeper when Garcia fought him.

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                      #100
                      Originally posted by LacedUp
                      Morales couldn't even make weight and looked like he just came in for the golfcourse. He was done. As I said earlier, I don't rate Castillo as anything but a name for Hatton, but at that - still ranks higher than fat morales for Garcia.

                      I also don't count Moussa as being a great win or anything like that for Hatton, but he had come off a KO win against Harris which is better than anything Campbell and Holt had managed in their career. And he was a champion, with only one or two losses, one by decision - and only got ko'd by a prime miguel cotto - no shame in that.

                      Both Holt and Campbell had come off multiple losses and also multiple KO losses - against poor fighters. I didn't like Moussa either, but he did more in a short space of time than Holt did in his whole career. Campbell came off multiple losses against Garcia.
                      What about the first fight? He made the weight in that fight.

                      Look, you cannot include Castillo as a top or solid win, you just can't. He was beyond shot.

                      It doesn't matter if Maussa had a paper belt or only got knocked out by the only top fighter he fought. He's not good, he is at the very least the same level fighter as Holt and Campbell.

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