Can you really blame Floyd for being a ducker?

[FrankieClutch]

if Floyd ******, i wouldn't blame him...he's made a lot of money


but the problem is he doesn't suck...he has true ATG skills that he never bothered testing against the best in his era


if i had that much ego and skill, i'd want every one to have no doubt on who the greatest of this era was

This is exactly what I was going to say. Floyd has the skills to beat all of the fighters he ducked, but it's a shame he never put them to the test. It's almost like he doesn't have confidence in himself.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

There is no smoking gun. I only want to know who he ducked, that's it. Some posters reps are on line with me-no offense.

no offense taken,,,,,,,,,If you want names

mosely in 2007= yes mosley wanted none of floyd in the past, 99-00 floyd had little name, and wasnt a draw yet, shane was going for big fights, like oscar
in 2006 shane *****ed out and said he had a toothache,,
but in 2007 after the oscar fight, floyd-shane would have done even bigger numbers than it did a few years later. Shane was oscar's rival and floyd had just beaten oscar,, floyd-shane was the next natural superfight to make, shane would have accepted because mayweather now brought the money to match the risk, but floyd went into retirement and shane signed to fight cotto

cotto in 2008= Cotto wasnt ready in 04,05 but by 2008 he had beaten judah and shane and was clearly a ppv draw,, both guys were undefeated, both had huge fanbases with floyd having the urban base and cotto having the rican base,, but floyd was looking at the oscar rematch or "retirement" and cotto signed to fight margs instead, and margs beat him down and ruined him

paul williams- was a welter champ, and had a clear win over margs,, williams didnt have a huge fan base but he could have been hyped up due to the size advantage and would have posed a bigger threat than ortiz, ghost, or jmm

Margs- after margs beat cotto, he was the clear #1 welter and a fight in 09 with floyd would have been huge, but floyd was in retirement and shane bombed out margs, so he kinda missed the boat on floyd, but from 06-09 margs would have been a huge fight for floyd, and would have brought the mexican fanbase, much more than ortiz or guerrero brought

Serg- the jr mw and mw champion and top 10 p4p guy said he would come down in weight to 150 and fight floyd,, it would be a legit fight from 2010-12
but for some reason floyd has never been interested

manny- biggest fight ever to be made, not really going into much detail on this one


I dont expect for floyd to fight all these guys, but 2 or 3 would have gone along way with his resume......
look at ali's resume with frazier and norton 3 times each, foreman, young, etc..
SRL had duran, hearns, beneitz, hagler
Oscar had ike, shane twice, tito, vargas, hopkins, floyd, manny
floyd has undersized slow jmm who stood no threat to floyd, ortiz, old shane, ghost, faded cotto,

I give floyd props for fighting canelo but the CW is some bullcrap,
floyd still has some good fights coming up like the lucas/danny winner, bradley if he beats jmm and leaves TR
broner down the road,,

[Frank Ducketts]

Prime Cotto
Margarito
Pacquiao
Paul Williams
A lot say he ducked Martinez, since Martinez said he'd be willing to go down to 154 to face Floyd, but Floyd just avoided it completely. That would have been a big fight a year or two ago, but not so much now since Sergio is on a decline. But this fight I can understand Floyd not wanting to do. It's a lose-lose for Floyd since if he even beat Sergio at 154, everyone would say it's only because Sergio was weight drained so I don't blame him on this one.

I asked a simple question. Who did he duck? You do know what duck means, right? Who did he DUCK?

[bigsmoothh]

I understand what you are saying, but I don't know if this was a cold calculating plan simply to make money at the expense of legacy. I think Floyd has a real paranoid streak and he doesn't want to give those who dislike him the satisfaction of seeing him lose.

Technically, I think Floyd was right to retire rather than face Williams. I believe the biggest reach advantage anyone has had on Floyd is 1". Williams would have had a 7" reach advantage and a 7" height advantage. It's no good turning your shoulder up at someone who has the arm length to go around it. Floyd probably thought he could beat Martinez, Pacquiao, and Margarito but knew they were capable of upsets so avoided them.

thats exactly what ive been sayin, floyd has skills but he seems afraid to test himself. and the ignorance of him and his fans is the icing on this ***** cake.

[wave]

I understand what you are saying, but I don't know if this was a cold calculating plan simply to make money at the expense of legacy. I think Floyd has a real paranoid streak and he doesn't want to give those who dislike him the satisfaction of seeing him lose.

Technically, I think Floyd was right to retire rather than face Williams. I believe the biggest reach advantage anyone has had on Floyd is 1". Williams would have had a 7" reach advantage and a 7" height advantage. It's no good turning your shoulder up at someone who has the arm length to go around it. Floyd probably thought he could beat Martinez, Pacquiao, and Margarito but knew they were capable of upsets so avoided them.

floyd beat a lot of tall fighters (tony pep for example), so i don't think he had any problem with dealing with taller fighters. not to mention the fact that paul didn't use his reach to his advantage really, so floyd would still be able to hit him quite easily. also, paul's weakness was counter punchers, so im sure floyd would have picked him apart. by that time floyd was also a major ppv draw, so there was really no incentive in fighting paul williams, as the general public had no idea who he was

no offense taken,,,,,,,,,If you want names

mosely in 2007= yes mosley wanted none of floyd in the past, 99-00 floyd had little name, and wasnt a draw yet, shane was going for big fights, like oscar
in 2006 shane *****ed out and said he had a toothache,,
but in 2007 after the oscar fight, floyd-shane would have done even bigger numbers than it did a few years later. Shane was oscar's rival and floyd had just beaten oscar,, floyd-shane was the next natural superfight to make, shane would have accepted because mayweather now brought the money to match the risk, but floyd went into retirement and shane signed to fight cotto

what are you talking about? floyd fought hatton after shane already lost to cotto. at that time shane was on the comeback trail, and it wasn't until he beat margarito that people really had regained interest in that fight. of course everybody discredits that fight now

[Frank Ducketts]

no offense taken,,,,,,,,,If you want names

mosely in 2007= yes mosley wanted none of floyd in the past, 99-00 floyd had little name, and wasnt a draw yet, shane was going for big fights, like oscar
in 2006 shane *****ed out and said he had a toothache,,
but in 2007 after the oscar fight, floyd-shane would have done even bigger numbers than it did a few years later. Shane was oscar's rival and floyd had just beaten oscar,, floyd-shane was the next natural superfight to make, shane would have accepted because mayweather now brought the money to match the risk, but floyd went into retirement and shane signed to fight cotto

cotto in 2008= Cotto wasnt ready in 04,05 but by 2008 he had beaten judah and shane and was clearly a ppv draw,, both guys were undefeated, both had huge fanbases with floyd having the urban base and cotto having the rican base,, but floyd was looking at the oscar rematch or "retirement" and cotto signed to fight margs instead, and margs beat him down and ruined him

paul williams- was a welter champ, and had a clear win over margs,, williams didnt have a huge fan base but he could have been hyped up due to the size advantage and would have posed a bigger threat than ortiz, ghost, or jmm

Margs- after margs beat cotto, he was the clear #1 welter and a fight in 09 with floyd would have been huge, but floyd was in retirement and shane bombed out margs, so he kinda missed the boat on floyd, but from 06-09 margs would have been a huge fight for floyd, and would have brought the mexican fanbase, much more than ortiz or guerrero brought

Serg- the jr mw and mw champion and top 10 p4p guy said he would come down in weight to 150 and fight floyd,, it would be a legit fight from 2010-12
but for some reason floyd has never been interested

manny- biggest fight ever to be made, not really going into much detail on this one


I dont expect for floyd to fight all these guys, but 2 or 3 would have gone along way with his resume......
look at ali's resume with frazier and norton 3 times each, foreman, young, etc..
SRL had duran, hearns, beneitz, hagler
Oscar had ike, shane twice, tito, vargas, hopkins, floyd, manny
floyd has undersized slow jmm who stood no threat to floyd, ortiz, old shane, ghost, faded cotto,

I give floyd props for fighting canelo but the CW is some bullcrap,
floyd still has some good fights coming up like the lucas/danny winner, bradley if he beats jmm and leaves TR
broner down the road,,

Adam, you know better than this. Don't join up with the inferior thinking that is going on around here. Be yourself. You know that he didn't duck anyone. Floyd is older than Cotto, yet ducked a prime Cotto? Does that even make sense? I can't address the rest because I've done it in the past before.

[BIG GUNZ]

I asked a simple question. Who did he duck? You do know what duck means, right? Who did he DUCK?

I just told you, & Sugar Adam Ali did too. If Floyd took 2 or 3 of those fights, he wouldn't have anyone near as many people questioning him about who he fights. Especially if he fought & beat Pacquiao in the 2009-2011 time frame.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

floyd beat a lot of tall fighters (tony pep for example), so i don't think he had any problem with dealing with taller fighters. not to mention the fact that paul didn't use his reach to his advantage really, so floyd would still be able to hit him quite easily. also, paul's weakness was counter punchers, so im sure floyd would have picked him apart. by that time floyd was also a major ppv draw, so there was really no incentive in fighting paul williams, as the general public had no idea who he was

I agree with you about floyd being able to deal with size,,
Williams work rate would have bothered floyd, and floyd doesnt have the firepower like lara or serg does to keep williams honest,,,,

as for the BOLD: did anyone know ortiz, or ghost, or baldomir, and all were ppv opponents for floyd

[RawDawgHasSpokn]

Floyd paid his dues early in his career and probably feels that he deserves the right to fight whoever he wants...I can't blame him for that. There was an offer on the table to fight Pacquiao, you can't argue that. But you will anyways.

[bayareamike]

if Floyd ******, i wouldn't blame him...he's made a lot of money


but the problem is he doesn't suck...he has true ATG skills that he never bothered testing against the best in his era


if i had that much ego and skill, i'd want every one to have no doubt on who the greatest of this era was

Props. This is how I feel exactly.