Can you really blame Floyd for being a ducker?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Ok, so lets put all of this into context:

Floyd last fight was Dec 2007 against Ricky Hatton, sat out 2008, announce his return EARLY 2009, had the fight pushed back from July to Sept because of a rib injury

So basically everyone keeps saying that Floyd ducked fighters prime years when he really was only gone from his last fight in Dec 2007 until he "officially announced" his return like 13- 14 months later

So basically Cotto, Margo, and Williams were all in there prime in 2008 (1 year), but when Floyd came back they weren't prime fighters anymore


If all it took was 14 months for those guys to be out of their primes, then maybe they weren't as good as you like to claim

correction, floyd announced his retirement after the oscar fight, but came back after hatton called him out after the JLC win,,,,,
Floyd's hiatus lasted from 07- 09, in the meantime, cotto got beat down by margs and got ruined, and shane beat down margs and got ruined, and then by 2010 shane was old as hell and coming off a 16 month layoff, so yes by the time floyd cameback cotto and margs were ruined, and shane was an old man with no legs, that could only beat come forward punching bags like vargas and margs, and b-level guys like collazo...

I dont think floyd should be penalized for not fighting every single guy available, but one or two of those names would have greatly enhanced his legacy and all the haters wouldnt be able to talk the smack they do,,, but floyd gave them the ammo to hate

[daggum]

You have a good night too.

You put up great arguments.

Kalule was hand picked by Leonard, and everyone back then knew it. My point is, is that Sugar earned the right to pick his opponents when he beat the big 3 and Kalule.

Sugar didn't dominate the jmw's through no fault of his own. He did enough at ww, and still he is accused of hand picking and setting up fights AFTER proving himself in his younger days.

These guys hate Floyd so much that they actually think that he never proved himself. They are still calling him a coward, and for not fighting who, lmao?

Good night. Always a pleasure Adam

yes leonard hand picked the lineal champ in a bigger division who was also a slick southpaw even though he had never fought a good southpaw his entire career. you know boxing sir! it's strange how everyone knows kalule was hand-picked yet you don't know floyd hand picked bums like baldomir, ortiz, and guerrero.

[PAC-BOY]

That's exactly my biggest problem with Floyd. He's truly gifted but never really put his talent to the test consistently.

Anyone can look gifted fighting lesser opposition and having the advantage of weight and also a few pay offs from time to time.

The truest way to show your skills is to fight the best while they are at there best.

Period!!!

[ADP02]

Ok, so lets put all of this into context:

Floyd last fight was Dec 2007 against Ricky Hatton, sat out 2008, announce his return EARLY 2009, had the fight pushed back from July to Sept because of a rib injury

So basically everyone keeps saying that Floyd ducked fighters prime years when he really was only gone from his last fight in Dec 2007 until he "officially announced" his return like 13- 14 months later

So basically Cotto, Margo, and Williams were all in there prime in 2008 (1 year), but when Floyd came back they weren't prime fighters anymore


If all it took was 14 months for those guys to be out of their primes, then maybe they weren't as good as you like to claim

Let's keep it real .... Floyd came back and fought a guy who was fighting at 130 the year before ...... he didn't try to fight a true WW even though they were all calling him out. So you will need to expand on your timeline!

Secondly, those fighters were all in wars. Sometimes you come out of it OK but most of the time, a war will make you leave a bit of yourself in the ring.

[BIG GUNZ]

What's sad about this thread is the guy that started it would call everyone Floyd has fought either over the hill, too old, too young, past his prime, etc.... Also the people that agrees with him have never attended a contract negotiation regarding any of Floyd's figbts. But one thing these clowns will all agree on and that's Floyd was afraid to fight Manny. Manny the same guy who started crying about taking a test. Then kied to his fans, claiming he ould take less mo ey for the fight & didn't whenehe was offered more money then he made the entire year of 2012. I researched the word ducker and guess what???? There's a big ass picture of Manny posted as a example of what a true ducker looks like. There is also a crown on his head crowning him the catch weight champion as well.....

Your wrong there pal. Your putting words in my mouth. I already said his wins against Hatton, Castillo, Judah & De La Hoya were all good solid wins. Maybe you should read the comments in the thread first before assuming something that your completely wrong on. I don't dislike Floyd at all as a fighter, I've admitted in previous threads that he's pretty much the most talented of this era, just his legacy is tarnished due to avoiding many fights.

The problem is that Floyd never fought the very best that he could have possibly faced to put his talent to the test. And your talking about how Manny is a catch weight champion, but what about Floyd saying he wants to fight people at their best, than all of a sudden makes Canelo fight at a catch weight. Even Mayweather Sr. himself said he wanted the fight at 147. Floyd would have never fought Canelo at 154. I can tell your clearly just a flat out Pacquiao hater from your post.

[daggum]

enter the mind of a floyd fan...........i warn you it's painful

leonard hand picked linear champ kalule in his first fight at 154 who was also the first legit southpaw he ever faced as a pro

but floyd vs weight drained canelo is a super fight

this is where you lol

[Frank Ducketts]

yes leonard hand picked the lineal champ in a bigger division who was also a slick southpaw even though he had never fought a good southpaw his entire career. you know boxing sir! it's strange how everyone knows kalule was hand-picked yet you don't know floyd hand picked bums like baldomir, ortiz, and guerrero.

This did catch my eye, lmao.

You see, it's just not your fault that you weren't around then. You're trying to say anything...maybe because I disrespected you.

You can't google or Wikipedia boxing history with those who were in the moment. that's why I pick my arguments when it comes to talking about fights before me.

How do you equate what Floyd did to what Leonard did when Floyd gradually went up 3 weight classes to Leonard going up to sww for 1 fight and going back down to ww? I'm not sure, but Leonard did not even face Hearns yet.

The sww division had a lineal champ, true..now I have to give you that. Peep Kalule's resume, and you tell me if what you're saying is sound. It's right, but is it sound, lmao?

And why would you even mention Baldomir, Ortiz or Guerrero in this comparison. Oh, the hand picking part is identical I guess, lmao. This is why I rarely address anything that you have to say about the sport, lmao. This ish was hilarious, truly!

[Vasyl’s dad]

It hurts his legacy completely, & makes him look scared, but most fighters would do the same if they were in his position. It's definitely lame & I disagree completely with it, but I can't exactly blame him for going for easy fights. He makes insane amounts of money regardless of who he fights. If he decided to fight someone like Andre Berto next if he beats Canelo he would still make 25-30 million total for the fight.

His whole gimmick is based on being undefeated, so he knows a lot of people order his PPVs to see if he loses. If he loses once, I guarantee that the money he rakes in per fight will drop & his PPV numbers would drop.

He picks fights where he knows he's the huge favorite because it's easy money for him. He demanded the Canelo fight be at a catchweight so he knows it would be easier for him to win. But can you blame him when he's making all that money based on being the #1 P4P fighter, & raking in all that cash regardless of who he fights?

Ali was in Floyds position. Is known for taking on the best possible opposition time and time again.

Ray Leonard was in Floyds position. Is known for taking on the best possible opposition time and time again.

De La Hoya was in Floyds position. Is known for taking on the best possible opposition.

Manny is in Floyds position. He is known for taking on the best possible opposition.

Nah. Most fighters don't do that.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Ok I'm just curious if Floyd is such a ducker, why didn't cotto Mosley, katayzu, I can keep going not want to fight him when he wasn't a big money draw? Were they ducking too? Also if he is such a duck other than jrmw's, and mws, aka size advantage not skill advantage, who would you favor to beat Floyd ww and jrww? I mean lets be real if Nelo was a ww no on would think he had a chance.

Uh, he actually was a welterweight.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Exactly what I bring up all the time and this prime bs is just that bs! Any dumbass who puts margo in the equation is just a really ****** person smh!

Margarito 2007, 2008, knocks Floyd out.