Can you really blame Floyd for being a ducker?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Floyd cleared out sfw and lw divisions, and there was nobody who wanted to fight him at jww except Gatti.

Floyd had every right to wait out the ww division until the best came away and fight them, but none of those guys could do what Floyd did at the lower weights which is dominate that division until you are the clear number one.

Comparing Floyd to those legends while he is still fighting is almost a travesty.

Even if he Floyd went through the process at ww that he did at sfw and lw, who makes Floyd great at ww?
Pac and Cotto didn't fight Paul Williams. PW didn't fight Shane. I just don't get the logic here. I've made this point a thousand times over, and the haters just keep repeating themselves. I have grown tired of repeating myself.

True about nobody fighting pwill, but it still doesnt change the fact that floyd didnt... margs fought williams and lost and i think that scared everyone away from williams because his workrate was a threat, yet williams didnt bring much starpower, but neither did baldomir, ghost or ortiz....
I compare srl to floyd because when SRL was the face of boxing and the biggest cash cow in the sport, he took huge challenges like duran, prime undefeated monster hearns, benitez, and hagler,
Since floyd has been the #1 since the oscar fight he has fought alot lesser competition when compared to ali and srl and oscar....
I always give floyd tons of credit for his 98-06 run, but since 07 he has been a letdown,, i understand taking a tune-up and not every fight can be a mega fight, but floyd really hasnt landed a big mega fight till canelo..

in that sense, i could understand floyd not necessarily being interested in giving mosley a payday at that point after mosley avoided him for all those years.

people have selective memory about the circumstances when they actually did fight though, it wasn't until after the fight was over that people said mosley was old. leading up to the fight a lot of people thought mosley was a serious threat to floyd, and there wasn't any other fight that people wanted more at the time, other than the pacquiao fight.

Thats cool if floyd was like F*off shane, because shane never gave him the time of day early in their careers, but then why did floyd fight him in 2010 when shane was old,,, yes alot of people thought shane was a threat, but anybody with any boxing sense knew shane had only a punchers chance and didnt have the legs to keep up with floyd for 12 rounds,, shane had his chance in the 2nd round but after that you saw an old man with no legs trying to land on the best defender of his era... i never thought shane was a threat to floyd in 2010, especially coming off a 16 month layoff.. Margs and vargas are tailor made for shane because you dont need legs to hunt them down, and both come straight forward, and shane could still crack hard hence why they got stopped by him,,, now but shane in with a mover like floyd or even mora, and shane looks like crap

[Frank Ducketts]

True about nobody fighting pwill, but it still doesnt change the fact that floyd didnt... margs fought williams and lost and i think that scared everyone away from williams because his workrate was a threat, yet williams didnt bring much starpower, but neither did baldomir, ghost or ortiz....
I compare srl to floyd because when SRL was the face of boxing and the biggest cash cow in the sport, he took huge challenges like duran, prime undefeated monster hearns, benitez, and hagler,
Since floyd has been the #1 since the oscar fight he has fought alot lesser competition when compared to ali and srl and oscar....
I always give floyd tons of credit for his 98-06 run, but since 07 he has been a letdown,, i understand taking a tune-up and not every fight can be a mega fight, but floyd really hasnt landed a big mega fight till canelo..

shane looks like crap

PW lost to Carlos Quintana for Christ's sake.

Sugar Leonard did dominate at ww, but he didn't dominate the jmw's, and wasn't asked to fight a bunch of ordinary mw's.

[daggum]

Floyd cleared out sfw and lw divisions, and there was nobody who wanted to fight him at jww except Gatti.

Floyd had every right to wait out the ww division until the best came away and fight them, but none of those guys could do what Floyd did at the lower weights which is dominate that division until you are the clear number one.

Comparing Floyd to those legends while he is still fighting is almost a travesty.

Even if he Floyd went through the process at ww that he did at sfw and lw, who makes Floyd great at ww?
Pac and Cotto didn't fight Paul Williams. PW didn't fight Shane. I just don't get the logic here. I've made this point a thousand times over, and the haters just keep repeating themselves. I have grown tired of repeating myself.

he cleared out the divisions? how many unification fights did he have? oh right zero. division clear! can you please tell me who won the super bowl last year because i thought it was the ravens but now i might be wrong. it might have been floyd.

[daggum]

PW lost to Carlos Quintana for Christ's sake.

Sugar Leonard did dominate at ww, but he didn't dominate the jmw's, and wasn't asked to fight a bunch of ordinary mw's.

if floyd dominated and cleared out lightweight like you said then certainly leonard cleared out junior middle right? they both beat the lineal champ and no one else.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

PW lost to Carlos Quintana for Christ's sake.

Sugar Leonard did dominate at ww, but he didn't dominate the jmw's(McCallum), and wasn't asked to fight a bunch of ordinary mw's.

lol, your right about williams but he avenged it brutally in the rematch,,

SRL had his eye destroyed by hearns and was seeing floaters and retired from the game,,,
Mccallum didnt really arrive on the scene till mid to late 80s...
SRL did go up to jr mid and beat the undefeated champ abuyle
SRL prime career was just cut short by the hearns fight and the damage the eye took in that fight,, afterwards srl was seeing floaters, so he really couldnt fight as long as career as some others like hearns,,,
And when SRL came out of retirement he took the biggest possible fight with hagler,,
when floyd came out of his "retirement" he didnt do the same and fight manny

We could go on and on about this, but im logging off for the night

have a good night frank, always a pleasure debating with you

[oneon11]

What's sad about this thread is the guy that started it would call everyone Floyd has fought either over the hill, too old, too young, past his prime, etc.... Also the people that agrees with him have never attended a contract negotiation regarding any of Floyd's figbts. But one thing these clowns will all agree on and that's Floyd was afraid to fight Manny. Manny the same guy who started crying about taking a test. Then kied to his fans, claiming he ould take less mo ey for the fight & didn't whenehe was offered more money then he made the entire year of 2012. I researched the word ducker and guess what???? There's a big ass picture of Manny posted as a example of what a true ducker looks like. There is also a crown on his head crowning him the catch weight champion as well.....

[R-NEAL]

Ok, so lets put all of this into context:

Floyd last fight was Dec 2007 against Ricky Hatton, sat out 2008, announce his return EARLY 2009, had the fight pushed back from July to Sept because of a rib injury

So basically everyone keeps saying that Floyd ducked fighters prime years when he really was only gone from his last fight in Dec 2007 until he "officially announced" his return like 13- 14 months later

So basically Cotto, Margo, and Williams were all in there prime in 2008 (1 year), but when Floyd came back they weren't prime fighters anymore


If all it took was 14 months for those guys to be out of their primes, then maybe they weren't as good as you like to claim

[ADP02]

like if Floyd was Berto and got away with these antics...i wouldn't blame him for ****...but its Floyd


if Floyd wanted to go on a legacy rampage, there woulda been no retirement


on his resume woulda been Tszyu, Casamayor, prime Cotto, Margarito, prime Mosely, and Pacquiao


NOone would have been able to say ****


but no...we got Bruseles, Baldomir, Ortiz, Guerrero and Sharmba Mitchells on that b1tch

and they have been floating Khan's name for a while now .... the only reason we didn't get that fight yet is because Khan isn't cooperating by losing or looking bad in his fight .... BUT still doesn't stop them from saying that Khan can be next!

[Frank Ducketts]

lol, your right about williams but he avenged it brutally in the rematch,,

SRL had his eye destroyed by hearns and was seeing floaters and retired from the game,,,
Mccallum didnt really arrive on the scene till mid to late 80s...
SRL did go up to jr mid and beat the undefeated champ abuyle
SRL prime career was just cut short by the hearns fight and the damage the eye took in that fight,, afterwards srl was seeing floaters, so he really couldnt fight as long as career as some others like hearns,,,
And when SRL came out of retirement he took the biggest possible fight with hagler,,
when floyd came out of his "retirement" he didnt do the same and fight manny

We could go on and on about this, but im logging off for the night

have a good night frank, always a pleasure debating with you

You have a good night too.

You put up great arguments.

Kalule was hand picked by Leonard, and everyone back then knew it. My point is, is that Sugar earned the right to pick his opponents when he beat the big 3 and Kalule.

Sugar didn't dominate the jmw's through no fault of his own. He did enough at ww, and still he was accused of hand picking and setting up fights AFTER proving himself in his younger days.

These guys hate Floyd so much that they actually think that he never proved himself. They are still calling him a coward, and for not fighting who, lmao?

Good night. Always a pleasure Adam

[Frank Ducketts]

Ok, so lets put all of this into context:

Floyd last fight was Dec 2007 against Ricky Hatton, sat out 2008, announce his return EARLY 2009, had the fight pushed back from July to Sept because of a rib injury

So basically everyone keeps saying that Floyd ducked fighters prime years when he really was only gone from his last fight in Dec 2007 until he "officially announced" his return like 13- 14 months later

So basically Cotto, Margo, and Williams were all in there prime in 2008 (1 year), but when Floyd came back they weren't prime fighters anymore


If all it took was 14 months for those guys to be out of their primes, then maybe they weren't as good as you like to claim

Lmmfao. Wow, lmao! Good post. Hilarious! They all damaged each other in that short span of time. As a matter of fact, a little guy named Pac came up and ruined Margarito and Cotto.