Prime Mayweather vs. Prime Cotto: who wins?

[Godsfly]

7 rounds to 5 rounds is close, but he clearly won. Another poster in this thread said the same thing. I'm not saying Mosley winning is a terrible decision, but Cotto deserved that decision.

Cotto-Clottey in NYC, a judge scored it for Clottey. Cotto-Trout in NYC and they somehow gave Trout 10 rounds Cotto can lose fights in NYC.

i had cotto by a point..........many had it a draw. the fight was close as hell........i wouldn't complain if someone had mosley by a point.

[El Angel]

so his prime only lasted for 5 fights with one of those fights being razor close?

Wasn't razor close to most of us, more than just myself have already disagreed with you on that. So he was supposed to be prime when he was killing himself to make weight and after he got bludgeoned? Some guy's flame burn brightly and quickly, others slow and steady. Every fighter is different.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

This is prizefighting. If you want to pretend that professionals fight for any other reason be my guest. If you think the fights taken when floyd was out was rooted in competition then you are sadly nieve. Bob made the fights that made him the most money. Period.

If you think when an ODH or a Floyd indicates they want to fight you don't turn it down.Its the most you can get.

You seem like a reasonable boxing fan. As such, you understand that guys like PWill and Margs are going to have a tougher road tha say Canelo or Broner-young guys who show an ability to draw at a young age. YOu also knowfloyd started out as a "high risk, low reward" guy and made himself into a star. You know that business decisions are made when building a star fighter.

GGG is the most recent and best example. Mora calls him out but HBO wont do the fight because they dont want to risk GGG looking awkward and not getting a KO. Is he ducking Mora? of course not. Same with Manny and Zahhir Raheem. Nonito -Rigo is an example of why you don't do these things.

You are entitled to your opinion but frankly, I know you understand how things work in boxing.

And I'm sure you equally understand that legacy and greatness is not rooted in an income statement.

[El Angel]

i had cotto by a point..........many had it a draw. the fight was close as hell........i wouldn't complain if someone had mosley by a point.

Just saying NYC has scored against him, it's not like they bend over backwards to give him rounds. Mosley lost a close, clear fight. Something he seemed to get immediately after the fight, but not recently.

[Godsfly]

Wasn't razor close to most of us, more than just myself have already disagreed with you on that. So he was supposed to be prime when he was killing himself to make weight and after he got bludgeoned? Some guy's flame burn brightly and quickly, others slow and steady. Every fighter is different.

i honestly don't care what you are anyone on here disagrees with......i know what i saw. msoley vs cotto was razor close...........if you can't see that theres no hope......even the judges who were in a pro rican crowed scored it only 2 points. if they flipped one of those points for mosley they would have had my exact card...........i remember your average fan saying that it was a draw after the fight.

"Some guy's flame burn brightly and quickly, others slow and steady"

dude, I've never seen a fighter that was prime for only 5 fights and one of those 5 fights being razor close...........so between those 5 fights (that he was prime) he would have destroyed mayweather?

[El Angel]

i honestly don't care what you are anyone on here disagrees with......i know what i saw. msoley vs cotto was razor close...........if you can't see that theres no hope......even the judges who were in a pro rican crowed scored it only 2 points. if they flipped one of those points for mosley they would have had my exact card...........i remember your average fan saying that it was a draw after the fight.

"Some guy's flame burn brightly and quickly, others slow and steady"

dude, I've never seen a fighter that was prime for only 5 fights and one of those 5 fights being razor close...........so between those 5 fights (that he was prime) he would have destroyed mayweather?

How long was Meldrick Taylor's prime? Surely he wasn't prime when he turned pro, he needed to develop, and then JCC beat it out of him. It DOES happen.

And honestly, I don't care how you scored it either. I know what I saw and how I scored it, that's what matters to me. See how hard it is to debate that? You feel how you feel, I feel how I feel, no point in debating this issue anymore.

[The Big Dunn]

And I'm sure you equally understand that legacy and greatness is not rooted in an income statement.

Legacy and greatness are objective, not subjective. Floyd is a 1st ballot HOF'er. His greatness and legacy are all but complete.

Could he have fought additional fights, of course EVERY fighter could've. The parsing of resume's based solely on liking or not liking someone is done here on NSB but not in the real world. If you are going over his resume just be honest about why fights didn't happen. If you are going to create an non factual set of standards that apply only to floyd then whatever you conclude isn't valid anyway.

[Big_L]

yall saying cotto ducked mayweather. cotto has never been afraid of anybody. mayweather wanted cotto when he was green and top rank knew he wasn't ready. he wasn't calling him out when he was beating judah and mosley. he lived too far away when he was doing that.

[RubenSonny]

When Cotto beat Mosley and Mayweather beat Hatton, that was THE fight to make in boxing. Mayweather vs Cotto for WW unification and The RING Title, when it meant something. And Floyd chose to retire.

Floyd retired awhile after the Hatton fight, both sides did not attempt to make the fight.

He fought both of these fights while Floyd was "retired". What are you talking about?

Not true, he fought Gomez and agreed to fight Tony before Floyd retired. That's what he's talking about, would you care to explain that?

Then Floyd should have said that, not fed us a bunch of BS about "Cotto lives too far away." Floyd brings 99% of hate he gets on himself for his hypocrisy.

I'm not accusing Floyd of ducking, but he didn't even attempt to negotiate the fight.

Neither did Cotto.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Legacy and greatness are objective, not subjective. Floyd is a 1st ballot HOF'er. His greatness and legacy are all but complete.

Could he have fought additional fights, of course EVERY fighter could've. The parsing of resume's based solely on liking or not liking someone is done here on NSB but not in the real world. If you are going over his resume just be honest about why fights didn't happen. If you are going to create an non factual set of standards that apply only to floyd then whatever you conclude isn't valid anyway.

Boxing didnt become a sport because people liked to watch fighters count their money. You can dangle the term prizefighting as much as floyd dangles his bentleys and pretend that's the only thing that matters.

That, my friend, is non factual standards that only apply to floyd based on whatever you conclude is valid.

While EVERY fighter could have fought other opponents...the truly great ones are the ones that ACTUALLY DID IT...so dont try to put Floyd in with that group...its what separates him from them.