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As of right now who ranks higher,Floyd or Manny
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Originally posted by MAKING_MONEY View Postthats 3 HOF fighters right there man, Pacquiao aint pulling the weight Money pulling. Add Baldomir who was slaying everyone before Money ended him and Money got an ATG record even Manfredy > Margacheato, Solis, etc
Pac inside the ring
8 divisions champ
4 lineal champ
3 times fighter of the year
Pro boxer from mininum weight up to light middleweight
Fighter of the Decade
beat 6 young undefeated fighters
beat 3 HOF fighters in their prime
24 year old Pac was already 3 times divisions champ and 2 lineal champ while your boy by this age still fighting tomato cans.
Pac outside the ring
A beloved congressman
Product endorsement like Nike, HP, Hennessy, McDonald and many more
Actor/singer
top celebrities, models, actresses are lining up waiting to be....
All high ranking ATGs suffered losses just like Pac. Floyd by now is undefeated and has atg skills but a trash resume. He will be treated like undefeated Calzaghe in the future but at least Calzaghe fought all the fighters he needs to fight.Last edited by straightleft; 09-04-2013, 09:36 PM.
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Originally posted by MAKING_MONEY View Postmoney undefeated got straps in 6 divisions, 5 time lineal champ, fighting young undefeated champs, and he got guap for days. He toyd with the man that knocked out Pacquiao.
His best wins **** all over Pac's
Castillo >Marquez
Corrales > Morales
Hernandez> Barrera
Cotto healthy > CW Cotto
Hatton> Clottey
Guerrero> Margacheato
Ortiz > Diaz
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Originally posted by Arakawa Dunn View PostDoes it matter to anyone that Manny lost to morales when he was "El Terrible" and beat him when he was just terrible?
Erik's career before zahir raheem- 48-2 only lost to MAB
erik's career from zahir raheem on- 4-7
Is it name recognition or status when they fought?
That's a line and a half.
I agree, does baffle me how much credit Pacquaio seems to get for the Morales fights.
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Originally posted by Humean View PostRaheem's lack of power is hardly Pacquiao's fault though, Pacquiao won a hell of a lot more impressively. He was certainly still a high quality version of Morales in the 2nd fight, it most definitely does not fly in the face of reality. Many fighters historically have lost fights like that particularly with stylistic reasons and fighting in a foreign country against that countries very own countryman. I forget whether I thought it was as wide for Raheem as you suggest but I'll concede that for the sake of argument as I cannot remember.
Your claims seem to suggest that you think Morales was better than Pacquiao, do you actually think that?
I am not faulting Manny for raheem's lack of power. I'm saying that manner of victory is a irrelevant when one guy has one punch ko power and the other doesn't. Raheem won the best way he could, Manny won the best way he could. My point is Manny didn't beat Eric until after Raheem beat him. He didn't beat ATG Morales. He beat 4-7 Morales.
The fact remains that Morales went up to LW, lost to an vastly inferior fighter by blowout UD. Morales was the "house" fighter and got the benefit. One judge had it 115-113 Raheem. watch that fight and tell me if you think this scoring is reasonable.
Manny may be better than Morales, but he didn't beat the ATG Morales even though he was the favorite entering the fight. Manny beat the guy David Diaz, Maidana, Danny Garcia and argualy Pablo Cano beat. Not the guy that beat JUnior Jones or MAB, he beat the guy that beat WIllie Limond and Francisco Lorenzo.
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