Comments Thread For: Ellerbe Calls Bull**** on Canelo Sparring Stories

[J The UnBiased]

Explain why Floyd and arum wont do business,,, ARum never said he wouldnt work with floyd,,, TR wouldnt do business with GBP after they tried to steal manny during the hatton fight,,,
Floyd as you probably know, is his own boss, he doesnt work for GBP so he could have easily done business with top rank and ditched GBP, much like how a cotto is doing now,,,,
But floyd has a built in excuse not to fight TR guys, because they were the more dangerous stable,,,
Margs, cotto, manny were much bigger threats than ortiz, ghost, hatton, shot mosely, shot cotto

Arum would do business with floyd,,, Floyd wont do business with Arum,,
Why is that?????????????
Because floyd would have to fight tough fights, and not get to handpick his opponents,,,,,

So your argument is flawed, And why doesnt floyd do business with TR,, Did he ever sue TR for money, didnt TR prove themselves over the last 40 years to be a damn good promotional outfit,, didnt TR bring the most big money fights to the table,,,,,,,
Just tell me why floyd would work with TR

The Shane that Floyd fought was a bigger threat than anyone Top Rank had to offer. Margarito(wraps) abused Cotto, and then Mosley abused Margarito, and then Pacquiao beat down a Cotto at a catchweight, after he really lost to Clottey. Shane was clearly the best Welterweight in the world at the time they fought. What are you talking about? Ortiz, Guerrero and Hatton were all champions and would be considered great opponents for anyone not named Floyd.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Maybe because Al Haymon and Bob Arum hate each other. You really think Floyd is going to negotiate without Haymon?

Floyd is his own boss, he calls the shots,, so either he is a liar or a coward,,,
Which one is it,,,,
Al haymon was with floyd when he was still with TR, so obviously they could do business together if they made the corley, bruscles, gatti, zab and baldomir fights, over 2 divisions,, yet cant do business together to make the biggest fight in history, or other monster ppv's like cotto in 08..
ANd shane was golden boy in late 07, and at the time TR and GPB were doing business together, hence why he got: manny-oscar, manny-hatton, cotto-shane, etc.......

So please, your grasping at straws trying to protect floyd,,, going to blame another guy in Haymon, even though floyd says "he is own boss, I call the shots" So he is a liar and coward,,,, End of story

But please feel free to come up with another excuse,,, I love destroying strawman arguments,,

[Sugar Adam Ali]

The Shane that Floyd fought was a bigger threat than anyone Top Rank had to offer. Margarito(wraps) abused Cotto, and then Mosley abused Margarito, and then Pacquiao beat down a Cotto at a catchweight, after he really lost to Clottey. Shane was clearly the best Welterweight in the world at the time they fought. What are you talking about? Ortiz, Guerrero and Hatton were all champions and would be considered great opponents for anyone not named Floyd.

Why are you talking about a fight in 2010 when we are talking about them fighting in 07,,, Just trying to dodge the fact that floyd went to the sidelines, and let the fighters with heart bash each other to smithereens, and then fought them when they were shells of their former selves,

So you think fighting an old, shot, coming off a 17 month layoff, with no legs version of mosely was a great win,,,
Margs was a walking punching bag,,, Shane didnt need any legs vs margs and shane still had power, beat down margs,,, then sat on the sidelines for 17 months before floyd was ready to fight him,,, yes that is a great win, fighting a 40 year old off a 17 month layoff, hell even floyd had a tune-up before mosely,,,

[The Big Dunn]

Cant you see that floyd and his fanboys make a bunch of excuses about why they didnt fight top guys, but then 3 or 4 years later, they end up taking the fight when the guy is already shot and old, or coming off a 17 month layoff ie mosely, cotto, and eventually floyd will fight manny in 2015-16 just to prove my theory

You admit these guys all refused floyd first. You also acknowledge the reason they end up taking the fight when they are older and more damaged is because one, they want the big money and two, they are no longer afraid to fight floyd because its no longer a high risk, little reward situation. Why does floyd then owe them fight when you feel its "the right time"? why aren't you holding those who refused to fight floyd accountable based on the same standard?

In another thread you justified odh, shane, cotto and manny decisions to not fight floyd by pointing out they took other fights like Vargas or Clottey. How does that mitigate the refusal to fight floyd?

[Hop]

The Oscar fight was close? When.....what part?

J, I know we batted this around in my previous thread, so I won't rehash it here, but yeah, a lot of us feel the fight was indeed close. Veteran boxing writer Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports, for example, scored it a draw, and he's won awards for his coverage. 'The Colonel' Bob Sheridan, who was calling the fight ringside, was in the same boat. (In case you don't remember my own tally was 115-114, FM.)

[junior gong]

LOL at pac fanatics more irrational than Floyd fantics. For you to even make that statement obviously shows you don't know much or haven't been reading these forums for the past 2 years or so LOL.

Exactly right.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

You admit these guys all refused floyd first. You also acknowledge the reason they end up taking the fight when they are older and more damaged is because one, they want the big money and two, they are no longer afraid to fight floyd because its no longer a high risk, little reward situation. Why does floyd then owe them fight when you feel its "the right time"? why aren't you holding those who refused to fight floyd accountable based on the same standard?

In another thread you justified odh, shane, cotto and manny decisions to not fight floyd by pointing out they took other fights like Vargas or Clottey. How does that mitigate the refusal to fight floyd?

1. lol, i love debating you, you make it fun

2. Floyd brought no money till after the oscar fight,,, then floyd could make any fight he wanted to, and he chose to chill on the sidelines, let everyone beat each other up, then swoop in and beat faded fighters like shane and cotto...

3. I give guys like oscar and shane passes because they fought other top guys like each other, tito, ike, vernon, hopkins, floyd,manny winky, vargas, cotto, margs,,
Floyd is fighting bruscles, gatti, shambra, ghost ortiz, old shane, shot cotto, catchweight canelo, hatton at welter,,,
Do you see a pattern or are you just in denial

4. Oscar fought everyone in his prime from 96-2003 or at least 90% of the fights we wanted to see, so did shane,, they even took huge challenges like winky wright, forest and hopkins, and undefeated prime tito at welter,,,
Floyd has never done such things, so lets stop comparing floyd to prime oscar and shane,, floyd hasnt fought a threatening fight since castillo in 03, so for a decade and for the last 6 years since floyd has been the major star of boxing,, he has failed miserable at making big fights,,

5. Can you imagine if other great ATGs were like floyd..
Ali would never fight frazier, norton, foreman,
oscar wouldnt have fought pernell, tito, ike, shane, vargas, hopkins, floyd, manny
Srl would have never fought hearns, duran, hagler, benetiz

And fools would be saying, it was the promoters fault, it was the drug testing, Welter division wasnt that stocked when SRL was there, etc, etc,,,

6. Floyd failed to live up to greatness

[J The UnBiased]

Cant you see that floyd and his fanboys make a bunch of excuses about why they didnt fight top guys, but then 3 or 4 years later, they end up taking the fight when the guy is already shot and old, or coming off a 17 month layoff ie mosely, cotto, and eventually floyd will fight manny in 2015-16 just to prove my theory

Yeah, Floyd coming off the biggest event in boxing history should have Fought Williams for his paper strap. Boxing is a business, that fight brought nothing to the table.

Cotto fought Floyd in 2012 because he was allowed to. Arum wasn't their to prohibit it from happening, and Cotto felt like a new man at 154. Cotto and Bruscles once shared the same trainer, not sure how true it is, but the the Bruscles fight was used as a measuring stick to see if Cotto would be able to take him, hence why the fight never happened at 140. Also why Cotto himself has admitted to never expressing interest in the fight before 2012. Not saying Cotto was scared, im just implying that I believe Cotto always felt he would lose that fight around that time. But at 154, he felt new and really believed it was a fight he could win. Hence why he was disappointing in the judges decision when they finally fought because he thought he was finally able to beat him. Just my theory, not parading it as fact lol.

Floyd/Shane late December would have been a ****** fight. No one was asking for that fight after Mosley beat Calloza. He fought Cotto later that year and lost a disputed decision, many thought he should have rematched Cotto.

Hatton wanted to move up and win his second title at 147 so stop it.

[Starz20]

LMAO..................Ellerbe sounds nervous as hell man. He's talking about things backfiring in people's faces, well it's starting to look to me like them taking this fight is backfiring in their face.

Remember Ellerbe, it's not too late to fake an injury and pull out of the fight. Broken rib maybe? How about back pain? I heard back pain is hard to detect.

Your right back pain is hard to detect... But hating and dyck riding is not so please stop it.

[hitking]

True, he was in talks for an oscar rematch, but oscar didnt want to do 50/50 split and oscar wanted it at welter,,,,,

but the division was stacked at the time with cotto, margs, shane, pwills,,, and by the time floyd cameback,, cotto was ruined, margs was ruined, pwill was in higher classes, and yes shane was champ, but he had no legs, margs comes straight forward and so shane didnt need his legs in that fight, plus shane was coming off a 17 month layoff at nearly 40 years of age,,,

Would have been much better if floyd had fought shane in late 07 but he chose hatton at welter, and cotto and shane duked it out,,, then in 2008 i would have loved to see floyd vs hatton and then a cotto fight,,,,

Don't know where you got "Oscar wanted the rematch at welter" from. Either way,the notion that Floyd retired to avoid the welters is silly considering none of them were on his immediate radar.

As for the Hatton fight. I never understood why people had a problem with that fight. Hatton was a bigger financial draw than any of the welters. And, Hatton was at the time rated higher than any of the welters in a P4P sense. And the notion that Floyd was picking on a smaller guy is silly considering it was only Floyd's 5th fight above 140 and while he started out at 130, Hatton was a career 140lber. So there wasn't much difference in size, assuming Floyd didn't hit puberty when he was 30.

As for all the welters Floyd missed. If you were following the sport back then you'd remember. Williams lost to Quintana and had to avenge that when Floyd hit the division. Margarito was rebuilding from a loss to Daniel Santos when Floyd hit the division. IMO the only fight that Floyd should have taken was Cotto. He should have fought him after Hatton. As for all the excuses that have been thrown out after the Mosley fight, I don't wanna hear them. Mosley was coming off the destruction of Margarito. He was pretty much the consensus P4P #3. And more than that, pretty much everyone was talking **** about Floyd being scared of him because of how the whole postfight interview went down after the JMM fight. Fight fans kill me with retrospective excuses after a fight doesn't turn out like they want.