Comments Thread For: Ellerbe Calls Bull**** on Canelo Sparring Stories

[J The UnBiased]

Can't believe people don't mention this enough. He retired during ODLH negotiations to avoid the rematch....the first fight was pretty close. Floyd simply wasn't interested in seeing how the rematch was going to turn out.

The Oscar fight was close? When.....what part? lmfao

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I never understood the whole "Floyd ducked the welterweight division" theory. Floyd retired after the Hatton fight, December of 07. The division got hot in 2008. Paul Williams wasn't doing anything of note in 07. Margarito did nothing of note in 2007. Cotto and Mosley duked it out in a close one, but Cotto later admitted that he didn't want a Floyd fight around that time. And Mosley didn't want to fight Floyd because he had to see his dentist. And Pacquiao wasn't even in the division. So how is it that Floyd was scared of this? In 2008, things got interesting, but by that time Floyd was already gone! You think he said "You know what, next year is gonna be hectic, let me get out"? He had nothing to go off of to back that statement up, because these guys were silent in 2007. Let's not rewrite history my man.

Pwills was champ in 07, actually in 2 weight classes
Margs was treading water, your right,
Cotto was an undefeated champ, and cotto said he wasnt ready for floyd when they both were at 140,, around the time of the classic bruscles fight for floyd...
Shane was there,,, he didnt want to fight that summer, but was available in the fall, and floyd chose to bring up small hatton to welter,,,,
your right manny wasnt in the division,, i never brought up manny, so i dont know why you did,,,,
It was clear as day that 2008 would be a great year for the welters,, but instead of floyd-cotto fight we got cotto-margs,,,
$$$ talks, BS walks,,, and nobody brought more money to the table then floyd,,,,,
Just tell me why floyd left and went into a double retirement,, once after oscar,, but then quickly came back to fight hatton at welter, which everyone knew hatton ****** at,, then retire again,,,,

WHY DID FLOYD RETIRE TWICE IN THE SAME YEAR????????

[mathed]

The Oscar fight was close? When.....what part? lmfao

Close enough to warrant an SD and a rematch apparently. Floyd won by a few rounds, sure but it wasn't like Oscar did have his moments. Once the jab went away, he stopped being as effective. He knew this, Floyd knew this, and Floyd didn't want to see Oscar's adjustments in the ring.

[DwightMare]

Pwills was champ in 07, actually in 2 weight classes
Margs was treading water, your right,
Cotto was an undefeated champ, and cotto said he wasnt ready for floyd when they both were at 140,, around the time of the classic bruscles fight for floyd...
Shane was there,,, he didnt want to fight that summer, but was available in the fall, and floyd chose to bring up small hatton to welter,,,,
your right manny wasnt in the division,, i never brought up manny, so i dont know why you did,,,,
It was clear as day that 2008 would be a great year for the welters,, but instead of floyd-cotto fight we got cotto-margs,,,
$$$ talks, BS walks,,, and nobody brought more money to the table then floyd,,,,,
Just tell me why floyd left and went into a double retirement,, once after oscar,, but then quickly came back to fight hatton at welter, which everyone knew hatton ****** at,, then retire again,,,,

WHY DID FLOYD RETIRE TWICE IN THE SAME YEAR????????

You cant throw Top Rank fighters in the mix after Floyd left Top Rank. Floyd and Arum wont do business together so your argument if flawed.

[J The UnBiased]

Pwills was champ in 07, actually in 2 weight classes
Margs was treading water, your right,
Cotto was an undefeated champ, and cotto said he wasnt ready for floyd when they both were at 140,, around the time of the classic bruscles fight for floyd...
Shane was there,,, he didnt want to fight that summer, but was available in the fall, and floyd chose to bring up small hatton to welter,,,,
your right manny wasnt in the division,, i never brought up manny, so i dont know why you did,,,,
It was clear as day that 2008 would be a great year for the welters,, but instead of floyd-cotto fight we got cotto-margs,,,
$$$ talks, BS walks,,, and nobody brought more money to the table then floyd,,,,,
Just tell me why floyd left and went into a double retirement,, once after oscar,, but then quickly came back to fight hatton at welter, which everyone knew hatton ****** at,, then retire again,,,,

WHY DID FLOYD RETIRE TWICE IN THE SAME YEAR????????

Yes, Paul Williams took that paper title from Margarito, and then Paul lost that very same title at the beginning of 2008 to Quintana!

Cotto didn't want any parts of Floyd after what he did to his mans Bruscles, and after he was ring side for the Gatti dismantlement. At 147, he had a great fight with Mosley that some felt he lost, but he never said a word about Floyd, just like he never said a peep about Floyd at 140.

Mosley wanted the fight with Floyd when he heard he was coming out of retirement and that is the only time he ever wanted that fight. He blew Floyd off in 99, and he blatantly didn't want to see him in 2006, he's done nothing in the past that say's otherwise. He wanted vacations and dental appointments instead of the fight, It would be idiotic of me to blame Floyd for that.

Everybody was amped for the Hatton fight so don't even go there. Boxing analysts, writers, and fans were excited around that time for that fight. It wasn't Ricky's 1st dance at Welterweight, he was champion there once before. Ricky decided that he wanted to move up again and go for his second title at 147 pounds. Fighters do that, they move up in weight to challenge fighters for their titles, that does happen in boxing. No one was saying Hatton was over matched when the bell rang and he was in the 1st couple of rounds, it was only until he got knocked out that all of a sudden, "Floyd picked on a Jr. Welter".

As far as Floyd retiring twice, I don't know. It could be indecisiveness after Oscar. It could of been that he was gassed out on boxing after Ricky. I don't know, and neither do you. All we can do is speculate. I can't speculate that he left in fear of what the welterweight division was gonna be a year from then, because those same welterweights weren't making the noise they made in 2008. I can't expect Floyd to be a psychic. But all we have is speculation as to why he retired.

[J The UnBiased]

Close enough to warrant an SD and a rematch apparently. Floyd won by a few rounds, sure but it wasn't like Oscar did have his moments. Once the jab went away, he stopped being as effective. He knew this, Floyd knew this, and Floyd didn't want to see Oscar's adjustments in the ring.

It was a split decision because Oscar was the champ. Most who saw the fight couldn't give Oscar more than 4 rounds, that means he lost 8.....that means it wasn't a close fight. The SD was BS. The same way they made the Broner/Mallinagi an SD when Broner was the clear winner.

[badnewsbrown]

Someone please knock this fool out

[Sugar Adam Ali]

You cant throw Top Rank fighters in the mix after Floyd left Top Rank. Floyd and Arum wont do business together so your argument if flawed.

Explain why Floyd and arum wont do business,,, ARum never said he wouldnt work with floyd,,, TR wouldnt do business with GBP after they tried to steal manny during the hatton fight,,,
Floyd as you probably know, is his own boss, he doesnt work for GBP so he could have easily done business with top rank and ditched GBP, much like how a cotto is doing now,,,,
But floyd has a built in excuse not to fight TR guys, because they were the more dangerous stable,,,
Margs, cotto, manny were much bigger threats than ortiz, ghost, hatton, shot mosely, shot cotto

Arum would do business with floyd,,, Floyd wont do business with Arum,,
Why is that?????????????
Because floyd would have to fight tough fights, and not get to handpick his opponents,,,,,

So your argument is flawed, And why doesnt floyd do business with TR,, Did he ever sue TR for money, didnt TR prove themselves over the last 40 years to be a damn good promotional outfit,, didnt TR bring the most big money fights to the table,,,,,,,
Just tell me why floyd would work with TR

[DwightMare]

Explain why Floyd and arum wont do business,,, ARum never said he wouldnt work with floyd,,, TR wouldnt do business with GBP after they tried to steal manny during the hatton fight,,,
Floyd as you probably know, is his own boss, he doesnt work for GBP so he could have easily done business with top rank and ditched GBP, much like how a cotto is doing now,,,,
But floyd has a built in excuse not to fight TR guys, because they were the more dangerous stable,,,
Margs, cotto, manny were much bigger threats than ortiz, ghost, hatton, shot mosely, shot cotto

Arum would do business with floyd,,, Floyd wont do business with Arum,,
Why is that?????????????
Because floyd would have to fight tough fights, and not get to handpick his opponents,,,,,

So your argument is flawed, And why doesnt floyd do business with TR,, Did he ever sue TR for money, didnt TR prove themselves over the last 40 years to be a damn good promotional outfit,, didnt TR bring the most big money fights to the table,,,,,,,
Just tell me why floyd would work with TR

Maybe because Al Haymon and Bob Arum hate each other. You really think Floyd is going to negotiate without Haymon?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Yes, Paul Williams took that paper title from Margarito, and then Paul lost that very same title at the beginning of 2008 to Quintana!
SO Pwills as a champ sametime floyd was around, maybe we could have had pwills vs floyd in early 08 instead of quintana fight
Cotto didn't want any parts of Floyd after what he did to his mans Bruscles, and after he was ring side for the Gatti dismantlement. At 147, he had a great fight with Mosley that some felt he lost, but he never said a word about Floyd, just like he never said a peep about Floyd at 140.
Then why did he fight floyd in 2012, floyd would have brought the biggest payday ever for cotto in 08, and cotto doesnt strike me as a guy who shys awy from big fights, just look at his track record,,
Mosley wanted the fight with Floyd when he heard he was coming out of retirement and that is the only time he ever wanted that fight. He blew Floyd off in 99, and he blatantly didn't want to see him in 2006, he's done nothing in the past that say's otherwise. He wanted vacations and dental appointments instead of the fight, It would be idiotic of me to blame Floyd for that. He was willing to fight him after the oscar fight when it would have been a huge blockbuster,,,, Why didnt floyd fight him in late 2007, you say because shane rejected him in the past,, then why did he fight him in 2010, probably because mosley was old and coming off a 17 month layoff

Everybody was amped for the Hatton fight so don't even go there. Boxing analysts, writers, and fans were excited around that time for that fight. It wasn't Ricky's 1st dance at Welterweight, he was champion there once before. Ricky decided that he wanted to move up again and go for his second title at 147 pounds. Fighters do that, they move up in weight to challenge fighters for their titles, that does happen in boxing. No one was saying Hatton was over matched when the bell rang and he was in the 1st couple of rounds, it was only until he got knocked out that all of a sudden, "Floyd picked on a Jr. Welter".No, it was after the collazo fight, when everyone realized hatton ****** at welter, hence why floyd brought him up to welter, and hence why hatton has never had a win there because collazo fight was a gift

As far as Floyd retiring twice, I don't know. It could be indecisiveness after Oscar. It could of been that he was gassed out on boxing after Ricky. I don't know, and neither do you. All we can do is speculate. I can't speculate that he left in fear of what the welterweight division was gonna be a year from then, because those same welterweights weren't making the noise they made in 2008. I can't expect Floyd to be a psychic. But all we have is speculation as to why he retired.

Cant you see that floyd and his fanboys make a bunch of excuses about why they didnt fight top guys, but then 3 or 4 years later, they end up taking the fight when the guy is already shot and old, or coming off a 17 month layoff ie mosely, cotto, and eventually floyd will fight manny in 2015-16 just to prove my theory