Comments Thread For: Ellerbe Calls Bull**** on Canelo Sparring Stories

[calilove]

Thanks for the debate, but you need to realize floyd ducked the big fights,, only way to explain it,,,, in the past 10 years, just name his big fights,, and everyone will have floyd at an advantage like the hatton or jmm, or a catchweight with canelo, or waiting til they got old and shot like cotto and shane,,, But once again there is always an excuse from the fanboys,,,

After reading through this thread, it's clear every one of your arguments has been proven false, yet you continue to maintain your position. Also, you need to distinguish between fact and opinion.

"shot like cotto and shane" - Opinion until you present facts showing this was indeed the case.

And tell me, how exactly did Hatton have an advantage over Floyd? Remember, I'm looking for facts here, not opinion.

[J The UnBiased]

If roles were reversed you wouldnt see floyd moving up to challenge anyone, without a catchweight,

uhhhhhhhhhhh.....I forgot about De La Hoya....Damn...I forgot about Castillo too....****

[Sugar Adam Ali]

You're right, Shane wasn't in fighting shape when he fought Floyd.
You're right, Shane wasn't already training for Berto earlier that same year.
You're right, Shane beating Margarito meant nothing.
You're right, no one was saying Floyd would never fight Shane.
You're right, Shane wasn't the #1 ranked Welterweight when he fought Floyd
You're right, Shane never turned down Floyd in 1999
You're right, Shane never turned down Floyd in2006
You're right, everyone was clamoring for Floyd/Shane in late 2007
I'm wrong, we good.

Dont get your panties in a bunch J,, I like you

Never said shane wasnt in fighting shape,, simply that he was old, past his prime, and had no more legs, as you can clearly see in the margs fight, mora fight, floyd fight, manny fight, and canelo and cano fights,, hell shane didnt have legs vs cotto or vargas,,, Its just that all those guys are easy to hit come forward fighters, and mosely can still crack hard, just like he did floyd in the 2nd round,,, if shane had his legs, he could have really done some damage to floyd, not saying he beats floyd, but it would have been a different fight..

Yes shane turned down fights with floyd in 99 because he was going for the oscar fight,,, just like how floyd didnt want any threats prior to getting his oscar fight,,, Shane punked out in 06 because floyd was really good but didnt bring blockbuster money,,, As soon as floyd was able to bring huge money, floyd didnt want to fight but go into retirement,,

and yes everyone did want to see shane vs floyd in late 07,,, but nobody was talking about it because one of the guys was retired,, much how like nobody is clamoring for calzaghe-ward becasue dude is retired,,, Oh wait, floyd cameback that same year after everyone was signed to fight and pulled up hatton to welter,,,,,
Then disappeared again,,,, for another retirement,, yet cameback to fight the old slow, counterpuncher with slow feet, and less power jmm, and old faded 17 month layoff shane, and ortiz, old shot cotto, never has been ghost, and catchweight canelo,,, Floyd is a living legend with those victories

Does it ever get tiring trying to defend the floyd resume,,,, It would exhaust me to try and defend floyd's lame post 03 resume,,,

I just cant understand how people can defend floyd's resume....

I give floyd all the credit in the world for the year 1998 when he took on challenges and 2001-02 when he took 5 big fights in a row,,, that is the level of fights floyd should have been fighting for the past decade, but we have for that last decade fought
sosa
ndou
corley
bruscles
gatti
shambra
All jokes of a fight
zab
baldomir
I dont complain too much about that because it was for lineal welter strap and set up floyd as a ppv attraction and p4p#1
oscar
No brainer of a fight, no complaints when you fight in the biggest money fight ever..
Retirement
hatton- wish it was at 140, or it was the shane fight,,, but still a pretty sweet fight, just others out there that should have been made
retirement
jmm- dude stood no chance vs floyd,,, literally no chance, and floyd cheated him on scales,, pathetic matchup
Shane- ok fight, but shane was so damn old, no legs, and coming off a 17 month layoff,,,, this fight ideally should have happened in late 07 after the oscar fight
Ortiz- didnt deserve the floyd fight,,,,, and it showed,,
cotto- totally shot, had struggled vs mayorga, margs2, yuri, was clearly past his prime and shot
ghost- decent tune-up, I thought ghost would at least be a live dog, floyd showed how great he was and turned ghost into a sparring partner, but wont complain about that selection
canelo--- Catchweight says it all

[Sugar Adam Ali]

After reading through this thread, it's clear every one of your arguments has been proven false, yet you continue to maintain your position. Also, you need to distinguish between fact and opinion.

"shot like cotto and shane" - Opinion until you present facts showing this was indeed the case.

And tell me, how exactly did Hatton have an advantage over Floyd? Remember, I'm looking for facts here, not opinion.

1. Get out of my conversation,, this is for true mature fans like J and myself or an aruka dunn, not some alt that chimes in with idiot statements,,

2. If you think shane and cotto were prime when they fought floyd then your either a troll or a complete and utter idiot,,, Quick tell me how many wins has shane and cotto racked up recently,, yet you say they were prime,,

3. Its a fact that cotto was shot, and mosely old with no legs,,,, Just name their last great big win,,, mosely was margs in jan 09 and a mature boxing fan can see that margs was tailor made for shane because shane may not have the movement he used to but he still hits hard, and can ko guys if you get within striking distance, and margs is always coming forward like a human punching bag and shane lit him up,, now put shane in with a mover like mora or floyd or manny and he looks like crap because he is old and doesnt have any spring in his legs anymore,,

4. What advantage did i say hatton had,,, your an idiot, an alt, and if you cant make a point then just sit down and let me debate against the other mature posters and not some ****** alt,, im probably owning you so you had to switch to an alt,,,, LOVE IT

uhhhhhhhhhhh.....I forgot about De La Hoya....Damn...I forgot about Castillo too....****

I always give credit to floyd from 96-02,, I just give him crap about the last 10 years, since he has hit superstardom,, I always praise him for the 01-02 run when he fought 5 straight legit fights in a row,,, but once he made it to the top, he pulled a roy jones and shied away from challenges and took on sosa, ndou, shambra, bruscles,,,

And yes he moved up to fight oscar for the biggest payday of his career and a chance to become the face of boxing,,,,,,, That is about the one time that floyd stepped up to the plate for a big fight in the past decade,,, now if only he would have followed it up witha fight vs oscar's nemesis shane, then hatton in may 08, cotto in sept 08, then manny in 2010, thats is what a true ATG like ali, srl, oscar would have done,,,,
FLoyd just aint that brave, not knocking his skills, just his resume,,

I still cant believe you defend his resume of the last 10 years,,,

[INGLEWOOD]

So Canelo is sending sparring partners to the ER basically? Yea ok...

Even if true that dont mean ****. He won't be touching Mayweather with his weak ass offense. And will get mentally broken down, not enough experience.


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His offense is weak? Sit down kid we'll see how weak it is on the 14th and that will be the same day Lucas will get knocked back to Argentina by Swift.

[hitking]

Dont get your panties in a bunch J,, I like you

Never said shane wasnt in fighting shape,, simply that he was old, past his prime, and had no more legs, as you can clearly see in the margs fight, mora fight, floyd fight, manny fight, and canelo and cano fights,, hell shane didnt have legs vs cotto or vargas,,, Its just that all those guys are easy to hit come forward fighters, and mosely can still crack hard, just like he did floyd in the 2nd round,,, if shane had his legs, he could have really done some damage to floyd, not saying he beats floyd, but it would have been a different fight..

Yes shane turned down fights with floyd in 99 because he was going for the oscar fight,,, just like how floyd didnt want any threats prior to getting his oscar fight,,, Shane punked out in 06 because floyd was really good but didnt bring blockbuster money,,, As soon as floyd was able to bring huge money, floyd didnt want to fight but go into retirement,,

and yes everyone did want to see shane vs floyd in late 07,,, but nobody was talking about it because one of the guys was retired,, much how like nobody is clamoring for calzaghe-ward becasue dude is retired,,, Oh wait, floyd cameback that same year after everyone was signed to fight and pulled up hatton to welter,,,,,
Then disappeared again,,,, for another retirement,, yet cameback to fight the old slow, counterpuncher with slow feet, and less power jmm, and old faded 17 month layoff shane, and ortiz, old shot cotto, never has been ghost, and catchweight canelo,,, Floyd is a living legend with those victories

Does it ever get tiring trying to defend the floyd resume,,,, It would exhaust me to try and defend floyd's lame post 03 resume,,,

I just cant understand how people can defend floyd's resume....

I give floyd all the credit in the world for the year 1998 when he took on challenges and 2001-02 when he took 5 big fights in a row,,, that is the level of fights floyd should have been fighting for the past decade, but we have for that last decade fought
sosa
ndou
corley
bruscles
gatti
shambra
All jokes of a fight
zab
baldomir
I dont complain too much about that because it was for lineal welter strap and set up floyd as a ppv attraction and p4p#1
oscar
No brainer of a fight, no complaints when you fight in the biggest money fight ever..
Retirement
hatton- wish it was at 140, or it was the shane fight,,, but still a pretty sweet fight, just others out there that should have been made
retirement
jmm- dude stood no chance vs floyd,,, literally no chance, and floyd cheated him on scales,, pathetic matchup
Shane- ok fight, but shane was so damn old, no legs, and coming off a 17 month layoff,,,, this fight ideally should have happened in late 07 after the oscar fight
Ortiz- didnt deserve the floyd fight,,,,, and it showed,,
cotto- totally shot, had struggled vs mayorga, margs2, yuri, was clearly past his prime and shot
ghost- decent tune-up, I thought ghost would at least be a live dog, floyd showed how great he was and turned ghost into a sparring partner, but wont complain about that selection
canelo--- Catchweight says it all

You're rational when it comes to Floyd-Mosley is nuts. You're basically saying that Floyd is obligated to fight Shane when its convienient for Shane. And that all is forgiven on Shane's end for the two or three times he turned the fight down. But Floyd is a dip**** for not fighting him durning a one year window when these cats had shadowed each other for over a decade.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

2. we agree. but those guys could've made the floyd fight early. the didn't. can't hold floyd accountable for that.

3. don't count MW and JMW. we are talking the ww fights during the time. Odh fighting bhop in 03 doesn't have ANY bearing on 05. Thst the BS manny fans float-well ledbawa and morales selected manny in 01 and 05 so he don't have to fight guy x. BULL*****.

none of those guys are floyd. take odh for example. his toughest fights at ww wasn't tito it was shane and sweet pea. so we can theorize why he didn't fight floyd and chose gatti and move up to 154 for castelljo. In hindsight tito wasnt a tough fight, but going into it he was considered it, you just broke your #4 in this post

4. you can't judge threat in hindsight. just because floyd blew guys out doesn't mean the opponent wasn't a threat it means floyd nuetralized it. DID you see the news yesterday? Just because that woman in georgia taalked the gunman out of shooting the school up doesn't mean it wasn't real.

Posters have a terrible habit of judging a fight in hindsight for fighters they don't like and on name value for fighters they do like. YOu are too good a poster to do this.

5. none of the opponents refused to fight ali or srl. In part thats because its a different era. the ppv era has skewed boxing considerably. do I think other ATG's would have wagered like haymon/floyd did and not fought-NO because it wouldn't be possible in the non ppv era.Oscar fought in the same ppv era, with bob arum and never had a problem landing chavez, pernell, ike, tito, shane twice, gatti, hopkins, floyd or manny... So if oscar can do it with Bob arum of all people how come floyd cant do it and he is a free agent and calls his own shots.... ANSWER ME THAT

as I explained SRL did exactly what floyd is doing now. he "took off". the difference is you don't know anymore about his eye than you do floyd's hands, but you give one the clear benefit of the doubt and the other none.
Srl took off because of major eye issues and then a ******* problem, he was out for about 5 years, and when he came back he made the biggest fight possibe and took on the mw kingpin hagler,,,, floyd didnt retire because of his hands,, he gets those shots that are only legal in vegas to toughen his hands,, Everyone knows it wasnt his hands that caused him to retire, if it was then why comeback for hatton, and then bounce out again... And when floyd came back, did he do an SRL and make the biggest fight possible with manny, nope he didnt,,, SO LETS NOT SAY HE IS DOING THE SAME THING AS SRL,
6. floyd is the #1 p4p fighter in the world on every reputable list where media/writers votes are tabulated. he makes more than Tyson did to fight. he is a 1st ballot HOF'er. he has been in the biggest selling ppv in history. he has exceeded greatness. I agree that floyd is great, he just hasnt challenged himself or delivered the biggest fights,, When you are the face of boxing and its biggest money star, you can land any fight you want to, Floyd didnt follow the same path as ali, srl, oscar

what he hasn't done is what you wanted him to when you wanted it. SO you are getting back at him the only way you can-by posting a negative opinion of him that is rooted more in personal petulance than an equal application of standard. No fighter can overcome that. I just complain because he is the top dog of boxing,, he runs the sport, he is in very rare company,, He is in a league with oscar, tyson, ali, srl,,, the face of boxing,, Joe calzaghe, or hatton, or shane, hopkins, roy jones, hearns, duran,, none of those guys can say they made it to floyd's level,,, that is why i am so critical about FLoyd,, He is the FAce of boxing right now, and has not made the fights that one should in his postition,,,,, I put him in the same category as tyson,, The face of boxing but failed to live up to the mantle in terms of great historic fights

1. I enjoy the debate as always. you make excellent points even when I disagree.

I hope this clears up, where i stand with floyd,,, love him from 96-02,, didnt care really about 03-06 because he was very good, but not a big enough name to land all the fights he wanted,, but since 2007 oscar fight, floyd could make any fight he wanted to and has pretty much given us a bunch of substitute fights in place of the true epic fights that could have been made,,
look at how big the floyd vs cotto and shane fights were and imagine if they happened a in 07-08 off the heels of the oscar fight,,, and if floyd could have landed the manny fight,,,,,
Sad thing is i would favor floyd over all those guys,,,,,

[- Ram Raid -]

I'm surprised at how amateurish this is from Ellerbe.

You don't attempt to shut down the hype surounding a fight. Not on a promotion with this kind of potential.

It's beneficial to him and his fighter if we believe that Canelo is tearing up sparring partners.

[J The UnBiased]

Dont get your panties in a bunch J,, I like you

Never said shane wasnt in fighting shape,, simply that he was old, past his prime, and had no more legs, as you can clearly see in the margs fight, mora fight, floyd fight, manny fight, and canelo and cano fights,, hell shane didnt have legs vs cotto or vargas,,, Its just that all those guys are easy to hit come forward fighters, and mosely can still crack hard, just like he did floyd in the 2nd round,,, if shane had his legs, he could have really done some damage to floyd, not saying he beats floyd, but it would have been a different fight..

Yes shane turned down fights with floyd in 99 because he was going for the oscar fight,,, just like how floyd didnt want any threats prior to getting his oscar fight,,, Shane punked out in 06 because floyd was really good but didnt bring blockbuster money,,, As soon as floyd was able to bring huge money, floyd didnt want to fight but go into retirement,,

and yes everyone did want to see shane vs floyd in late 07,,, but nobody was talking about it because one of the guys was retired,, much how like nobody is clamoring for calzaghe-ward becasue dude is retired,,, Oh wait, floyd cameback that same year after everyone was signed to fight and pulled up hatton to welter,,,,,
Then disappeared again,,,, for another retirement,, yet cameback to fight the old slow, counterpuncher with slow feet, and less power jmm, and old faded 17 month layoff shane, and ortiz, old shot cotto, never has been ghost, and catchweight canelo,,, Floyd is a living legend with those victories

Does it ever get tiring trying to defend the floyd resume,,,, It would exhaust me to try and defend floyd's lame post 03 resume,,,

I just cant understand how people can defend floyd's resume....

I give floyd all the credit in the world for the year 1998 when he took on challenges and 2001-02 when he took 5 big fights in a row,,, that is the level of fights floyd should have been fighting for the past decade, but we have for that last decade fought
sosa
ndou
corley
bruscles
gatti
shambra
All jokes of a fight
zab
baldomir
I dont complain too much about that because it was for lineal welter strap and set up floyd as a ppv attraction and p4p#1
oscar
No brainer of a fight, no complaints when you fight in the biggest money fight ever..
Retirement
hatton- wish it was at 140, or it was the shane fight,,, but still a pretty sweet fight, just others out there that should have been made
retirement
jmm- dude stood no chance vs floyd,,, literally no chance, and floyd cheated him on scales,, pathetic matchup
Shane- ok fight, but shane was so damn old, no legs, and coming off a 17 month layoff,,,, this fight ideally should have happened in late 07 after the oscar fight
Ortiz- didnt deserve the floyd fight,,,,, and it showed,,
cotto- totally shot, had struggled vs mayorga, margs2, yuri, was clearly past his prime and shot
ghost- decent tune-up, I thought ghost would at least be a live dog, floyd showed how great he was and turned ghost into a sparring partner, but wont complain about that selection
canelo--- Catchweight says it all

Don't worry, I enjoy our debates as well. I'm just trying to present an element of objectivity. For every action there is a reaction. For every one thing you can pick at about Floyd not fighting this guy at this time, one can point to why that is. As far as defending Floyd's post 03 resume, there isn't much to deFend, he beat a bunch of guys that would be considered great opponents for anyone else. Forgive me If i'm wrong but it seems to me that Floyd has left a bad taste in your mouth because of his 08 departure that it's hard to give him any credit in the future. Canelo's the number one Junior Middle in the world and Floyd is fighting him, the catchweight is weak as hell, but I'd rather deal with that than not have the fight at all, he's the biggest threat out there to Floyd at the moment. Guerrero was the best option at the time they fought. He was interim champ only because Floyd was the champ. The only other guy out there was Marquez because he beat Manny, but Floyd had already done away with him. Robert was the best choice. I agree, Cotto was past his prime, but no one ever brings up that so is Floyd.
No one brings up that Floyd's a lot older and has a lot more miles on his legs because he's been in more fights, the only difference is that Floyd is better conditioned than Miguel is. You had two past their best fighters, but no one complained when they actually fought, it was a great fight and everyone went home happy that night. Miguel was the #1 ranked Jr. Middleweight and Floyd beat him. Victor Ortiz, he was the WBC Welterweight Champ, Floyd beat him lol, what is the issue there? Neither him or Manny wanted to fight each other, Victor was the best option. Shane Mosley, definitely past his prime but still a really good opponent who many claimed Floyd was afraid of. He was the #1 Welterweight in the world, I had no problem with, although I would have loved to see them **** it out in 2006. I laughed at the Marquez announcement as well, but he was the #2 p4p fighter in the world and he arguably beat the #1 p4p fighter in the world. Floyd was too big for Marquez but he wasn't too big for Pacquiao, I never understood that, but we all know that was a fight for Floyd to shake off any ring loss. There was no risk. Hatton and Oscar were the biggest events in the sport. He beat Baldomir the champ, and he beat Zab while he was still world champ. He was coming off a loss to Carlos, but the fight was signed well before that and he went on to fight the winner of that anyway. I could go on but I'm not lol

[Fetta]

I'm surprised at how amateurish this is from Ellerbe.

You don't attempt to shut down the hype surounding a fight. Not on a promotion with this kind of potential.

It's beneficial to him and his fighter if we believe that Canelo is tearing up sparring partners.

Him speaking isnt shutting down the hype its actually stirring the pot. Team Mayweather is the villian. Get the masses talking about fight and that way more people can see the "future" of our sport