Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: Marquez Got a Lucky Break in Our Fight

[Boxing Goat]

First. It is weel documented that Cotto was the opponent of choice but he wouldn't play patsy to another catchweight deal. The Bradley fight wouldn't sell at the time, Bradley opted for Marquez AFTER the Pac KO, not after their dodgy decision fight.

Also check the pre fight quotes. Both Pacquiao and Marquez said it was the last one, win or lose. Not "unless I get knocked out". Their words, my friend.

So, provide links for these claims then. I don't recall Cotto being 1st choice, Bradley was and he wanted no part of it. It wasn't money. The 1st fight sold great on PPV.

Next, do you think JMM would have wanted a rematch had he lost another close decision? You're dreaming if you think he wouldn't have.

[The Big Dunn]

Lol @ Unbiased being in your screen name. A Floyd fan saying this stuff are we? No way?

Look, like I said, I'm calling it straight. I'm not a huge fan of either. Marquez may not owe him a rematch in your eyes, but maybe after the 1st time Pacquiao beat JMM, which to me was the 1st fight, imagine if he had never given Juan a chance for revenge himself? We wouldn't even be having this conversation by that way of thinking. JMM was never Pacquiao's mandatory after the 1st fight so maybe Paquiao never owed him anything either. Have you ever thought of it that way before or does your dislike for Pacquiao make that impossible?

JMM is using his leverage the same way Manny did after their 1st 3 fights. JMM wants more this time around. Manny's fans seem to think there is something wrong when fighters exercise their leverage over manny to make themselves the best deal possible.

How is this wrong?

[The Big Dunn]

I guess I will just have to take your word for it then.

DOn't take my word just check NSB history and ESPN.

Respectfully but frankly, if you follow the sport closely it's hard to think you don't know the things I referenced. But you are new here on NSB so maybe you missed these debates.

[Boxing Goat]

Yes Manny scored knock downs, and then Juan got up lol. Knock downs don't win fights, winning rounds do. Marquez has won FAR MORE rounds than Manny. All 4 were great entertaining fights. I respect your opinion, but on each outing, Juan looked like the better man and h's the recipient of 3 robberies to a bigger star. The 4th bout was just the icing on the cake.

If I was a d*ck, I would sig that bolded quote but I'm not.

Like I said before, to him his own but Pacquiao wan't a big star until he faced Delahoya and the first two fights had nothing to do with being robbed by a star. You can't just rewrite history because you feel like it. It's 2-1-1 for Pacquiao and really should be 3-1-0 as I kindly informed you all of earlier.

I'll leave this topic at that.

[FrankieClutch]

I think people are overreacting in this thread. Pacquiao never said it was a lucky PUNCH. He said that JMM got a lucky break; which I believe he is implying that JMM caught him in the act of being over-aggressive.

P.S. If anyone thinks it was a lucky punch is dumb.

[junior gong]

also floyd, zab, guzman

[twosweethooks]

That was a great SHOT by JMM !!!

JMM was getting slaughtered in there and admitted that he was fixing to be KO'd !!!! Remember that HATERS

Pac got way overconfident and paid for it.

[hitking]

Yes Manny scored knock downs, and then Juan got up lol. Knock downs don't win fights, winning rounds do. Marquez has won FAR MORE rounds than Manny. All 4 were great entertaining fights. I respect your opinion, but on each outing, Juan looked like the better man and h's the recipient of 3 robberies to a bigger star. The 4th bout was just the icing on the cake.

While you're technically wrong with your, "KDs don't win rounds" quote, I think it points to the problem in scoring in boxing. The JMM-Pac fights are a prime example of how it is flat out ****** to give extra points for KDs. Outside of the first round, JMM pretty much dominated Pac in their first fight. But because of three KDs, it was Pac who was technically robbed because of a judges scoring era. A KD is what won the fight for Pac in the second fight in which IMO JMM should have edged him. A round is a round. You should win it or lose it. And knocking an opponent off his feet shoul't be weighed nearly as heavily as it is because it skews scorecards too dramatically, especially in cloe fights.

[twosweethooks]

The brutal knock out didn't just crack his hype in the ring, it also cracked the hype that he is the epitome of good sportsmanship. Marquez didn't get a lucky break, his skill, endurance, and science allowed him to land that counter.

Really ? MANGE come on, then tell us WHY JMM was getting killed in the ring prior to his famous punch that saved him ? Remember hater that JMM ADMITTED that he was fixing to get KO'd,

gord head mange and tell us

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

While you're technically wrong with your, "KDs don't win rounds" quote, I think it points to the problem in scoring in boxing. The JMM-Pac fights are a prime example of how it is flat out ****** to give extra points for KDs. Outside of the first round, JMM pretty much dominated Pac in their first fight. But because of three KDs, it was Pac who was technically robbed because of a judges scoring era. A KD is what won the fight for Pac in the second fight in which IMO JMM should have edged him. A round is a round. You should win it or lose it. And knocking an opponent off his feet shoul't be weighed nearly as heavily as it is because it skews scorecards too dramatically, especially in cloe fights.

You dont get an extra point for a KD...the person knocked down loses one.

And a judge can still score a round for the person knocked down if he/she chooses, it just doesnt happen very often.