Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: Marquez Got a Lucky Break in Our Fight

[The Big Dunn]

I caught what you said pretty clearly, but I fail to see where all this happened. You act like you are an insider or something. The info you are relaying is mostly presumptuous. I don't remember anything being said about the first option being a rematch with Cotto and I follow boxing as closely as anyone. It may have been AN OPTION, but certainly wasn't the first. I remember Pacquiao wanting the Bradley rematch right away and Bradley not wanting anything to do with it.

There are various treads here discussing the points I made and articles on other sites. I am not making them up or in any way acting like an insider.

Cotto was the 1st option b/c manny's biggest selling ppv's have been ODH and cotto, both at 1.25 mil.

Manny didn't take the JMM 4 fight for any reason other than money.

[The Big Dunn]

He avoided Mosley, Cotto at 154, Raheem, Holt etc.

also floyd, zab, guzman

[NoConcoms]

What I think is funny about this whole situation is that now Manny has agreed to VADA testing for the Rios fight. When the preposed fight with Floyd was on the table Manny wanted NO PART of random drug testing. But now that he's been starched by Marquez who many suspect of being on PED's at the time, he's all for it.

He stood to make $50million for a fight with Floyd. All he had to do was agree to random drug testing. And he didn't. And now that he's on the other side of the fence, he's all for it? What a joke.

Manny Pacquiao is a joke and a fraud. If you think Pacman has never used PEDs throughout his career, you're a dreamer. The guy's whole career has been built off the back of PEDS.

[J The UnBiased]

True, I do recall him saying the Hatton punch was lucky. I don't think it was, but it was a product of going to Hatton's body early that made that possible.

In that KO punch, Pac starts throwing from the hip, Ricky thought it was going to be a body shot so he lowered his right arm, the punch went high and he never had time to get his glove in the way to take anything off the shot and paid dearly for it. Neither puch was lucky and I have no doubt about that.

I just think JMM is being a coward not wanting to fight Pacquiao again.

It's funny how his wife gave him permission to fight the lighter hitting, less tenacious Bradley but not Pacquiao again. It's a dangerous fight and any wife would be concerned. Especially how he was getting ****** up badly before the KO shot.

Marquez was the one that went to sleep? No, it was a fight. Marquez was falling behind in the 6th but in no way did he look done or on the way out, and he proved that by being able to still, in the face of adversity, have the fortitude to still execute his game plan, and time Manny accurately. I understand you want to see a 5t fight, but don't lie to yourself as if Juan owes Manny anything. He has showed that he's the better of the 2 in the first 3 fights, now he's left no doubt.

[Boxing Goat]

Maybe because he feels that he beat Pacquiao 4 times, I agree with him.

You do realize that Pac KD Jmm 3 times in their 1st fight right?

That being said: Read this.

"Judge Guy Jutras scored the fight 115-110 for Marquez, while judge John Stewart scored it 115-110 for Pacquiao.

The third judge, Burt Clements, had a 113-113 tie. His scoring included a 10-7 opening round because, he admitted later, he did not realize he could give a 10-6 round. If Clements had scored the opening round 10-6, as the other two judges had, Pacquiao would have won by 113-112 on Clements's card and earned a split decision.

"I just screwed up," Clements said. "I feel badly because I dropped the ball, plainly and simply. You can make a lot of arguments that it was a very close fight, but that's immaterial. The fact is, I dropped the ball."

Marc Ratner, the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, ruled that Clements's admission was no grounds for a protest".

Now, based on that 10-6 round, seeing as how with 3 KD's, you couldn't have possibly given Jmm the round, he lost the first fight too.

So, technically and on the cards Pacquiao won the rivalry 3-1.

I can respect you thinking that Marquez won those bouts by watching them, and that's open to perception, as I think Pacquiao won all 3 of the first 3 fights.

[Boxing Goat]

There are various treads here discussing the points I made and articles on other sites. I am not making them up or in any way acting like an insider.

Cotto was the 1st option b/c manny's biggest selling ppv's have been ODH and cotto, both at 1.25 mil.

Manny didn't take the JMM 4 fight for any reason other than money.

I guess I will just have to take your word for it then.

[J The UnBiased]

Anyone who thinks that the Marquez punch was lucky has no business talking boxing. I respect Manny, but this is what he's been reduced to? Making excuses for career defining losses? I know he has more pride than that. He's had 4 times to knock Juan out or to definitively beat him and he's never been able to do it. Marquez has, give the man his damn credit, he's the better fighter and he's proved it. Deal with it.

[Marvellous1]

Okay then, by your logic if it ended the rivalry, the 4th fight technically wan't even needed seeing as how Pacquiao was 2-0-1 vs Marquez coming into.

Thanks for making that perfectly clear.

First. It is weel documented that Cotto was the opponent of choice but he wouldn't play patsy to another catchweight deal. The Bradley fight wouldn't sell at the time, Bradley opted for Marquez AFTER the Pac KO, not after their dodgy decision fight.

Also check the pre fight quotes. Both Pacquiao and Marquez said it was the last one, win or lose. Not "unless I get knocked out". Their words, my friend.

[J The UnBiased]

You do realize that Pac KD Jmm 3 times in their 1st fight right?

That being said: Read this.

"Judge Guy Jutras scored the fight 115-110 for Marquez, while judge John Stewart scored it 115-110 for Pacquiao.

The third judge, Burt Clements, had a 113-113 tie. His scoring included a 10-7 opening round because, he admitted later, he did not realize he could give a 10-6 round. If Clements had scored the opening round 10-6, as the other two judges had, Pacquiao would have won by 113-112 on Clements's card and earned a split decision.

"I just screwed up," Clements said. "I feel badly because I dropped the ball, plainly and simply. You can make a lot of arguments that it was a very close fight, but that's immaterial. The fact is, I dropped the ball."

Marc Ratner, the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, ruled that Clements's admission was no grounds for a protest".

Now, based on that 10-6 round, seeing as how with 3 KD's, you couldn't have possibly given Jmm the round, he lost the first fight too.

So, technically and on the cards Pacquiao won the rivalry 3-1.

I can respect you thinking that Marquez won those bouts by watching them, and that's open to perception, as I think Pacquiao won all 3 of the first 3 fights.

Yes Manny scored knock downs, and then Juan got up lol. Knock downs don't win fights, winning rounds do. Marquez has won FAR MORE rounds than Manny. All 4 were great entertaining fights. I respect your opinion, but on each outing, Juan looked like the better man and h's the recipient of 3 robberies to a bigger star. The 4th bout was just the icing on the cake.

[Boxing Goat]

Marquez was the one that went to sleep? No, it was a fight. Marquez was falling behind in the 6th but in no way did he look done or on the way out, and he proved that by being able to still, in the face of adversity, have the fortitude to still execute his game plan, and time Manny accurately. I understand you want to see a 5t fight, but don't lie to yourself as if Juan owes Manny anything. He has showed that he's the better of the 2 in the first 3 fights, now he's left no doubt.

Lol @ Unbiased being in your screen name. A Floyd fan saying this stuff are we? No way?

Look, like I said, I'm calling it straight. I'm not a huge fan of either. Marquez may not owe him a rematch in your eyes, but maybe after the 1st time Pacquiao beat JMM, which to me was the 1st fight, imagine if he had never given Juan a chance for revenge himself? We wouldn't even be having this conversation by that way of thinking. JMM was never Pacquiao's mandatory after the 1st fight so maybe Paquiao never owed him anything either. Have you ever thought of it that way before or does your dislike for Pacquiao make that impossible?