Who's cherry picks the most.

[LacedUp]

LOL....because Sauerland wanted to make the Haye-Klitschko fight. Haye was the house fighter even in Germany, no other British fighter would have gotten that decision fighting so negatively. Haye cherry picked the weakest champion because he knew he couldn't get the job done against the Klitschkos and his hype/money chase would have been over straight away.

Plenty of those fights were mandatories and if you can name fighters that they could have fought instead, Id love to hear them.

Hahahaha, name me one of those fights that was a mandatory please.

Come on.

Hmm, let me think... How about Pulev? Helenius? Fury? Price? Haye? Chisora (for Wlad)? or how about Arreola? Glazkov? Mitchell? Banks? Wilder? Jennings? Scott? Any single one of those would have been far far better than the ones I mentioned.

[M Bison]

I love how the majority all vote for Floyd Mayweather, the truth is always usually said in here.

[New England]

But Wlad's wins over Wach, Rahman, Mormeck, Pianeta were over top notch challengers.

wladimir is in an odd spot. he's beaten almost everybody. if he hasn't, his brother probably has. guys try and get to the top to "fight a klitschko." that's a unique situation.


i don't think it's reasonable at all to say that wladimir klitschko is a "cherry picker." he's fought most of his best contenders. there aren't any dangerous fighters out there for him to avoid.

[LacedUp]

wladimir is in an odd spot. he's beaten almost everybody. if he hasn't, his brother probably has. guys try and get to the top to "fight a klitschko." that's a unique situation.


i don't think it's reasonable at all to say that wladimir klitschko is a "cherry picker." he's fought most of his best contenders. there aren't any dangerous fighters out there for him to avoid.

I didn't say Wlad was a cherrypicker. I said Vitali was.

Wlad usually fights the best available, I give him that. He's a true champion. But his resume has been lacking the last couple of years, and just because Vitali fought someone, it doesn't mean Wlad did. I don't like to give a fighter credit for what another fighter achieved.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Hahahaha, name me one of those fights that was a mandatory please.

Come on.

Hmm, let me think... How about Pulev? Helenius? Fury? Price? Haye? Chisora (for Wlad)? or how about Arreola? Glazkov? Mitchell? Banks? Wilder? Jennings? Scott? Any single one of those would have been far far better than the ones I mentioned.

And how many of those guys promoters were willing to put their guy in with a Klitschko? They are mostly following the Haye route of avoiding the contest for as long as possible and then cashing out when they have nowhere else to go.

[New England]

Hahahaha, name me one of those fights that was a mandatory please.

Come on.

Hmm, let me think... How about Pulev? Helenius? Fury? Price? Haye? Chisora (for Wlad)? or how about Arreola? Glazkov? Mitchell? Banks? Wilder? Jennings? Scott? Any single one of those would have been far far better than the ones I mentioned.

i really don't care to go through the history of a bunch of "world titles," that i don't care about, but i can remember thompson II (yes, a rematch with tony thompson, rofl,) was a "mandatory." povetkin is a mandatory, i think.


as i outlined, wladimir is in an odd spot. guys get on good runs and face "a klitschko." arreola has done nohting since he got his ass kicked by vitali. that's a fight you'd probably scoff at. chisora is horrible, and only gets fights at this level because he's a nutcase who slaps, spits on, is glassed by fighters at pressers and in clubs.


you really think he's "ducking" seth mitchell, robert helenius, etc?

he SPARS with scott, wilder, etc.

cmon man.

[New England]

I didn't say Wlad was a cherrypicker. I said Vitali was.

Wlad usually fights the best available, I give him that. He's a true champion. But his resume has been lacking the last couple of years, and just because Vitali fought someone, it doesn't mean Wlad did. I don't like to give a fighter credit for what another fighter achieved.

it's a reality that the brotherhood of the klitschkos effects their matchmaking.

guys gain stock, fight one brother, and lose stock, eliminating hte possiblity of the other brother putting him on his resume until he gains stock again.

normally, the guys who beat everybody (the klitschkos,) fight eachother. they can't. you don't have to give credit to a brother for the victory of the other, but you have to recognize the impact of that victory on matchmaking.

[LacedUp]

And how many of those guys promoters were willing to put their guy in with a Klitschko? They are mostly following the Haye route of avoiding the contest for as long as possible and then cashing out when they have nowhere else to go.

Dodging the question are we? How many of those were mandatories? Come on.

[LacedUp]

i really don't care to go through the history of a bunch of "world titles," that i don't care about, but i can remember thompson II (yes, a rematch with tony thompson, rofl,) was a "mandatory." povetkin is a mandatory, i think.


as i outlined, wladimir is in an odd spot. guys get on good runs and face "a klitschko." arreola has done nohting since he got his ass kicked by vitali. that's a fight you'd probably scoff at. chisora is horrible, and only gets fights at this level because he's a nutcase who slaps, spits on, is glassed by fighters at pressers and in clubs.


you really think he's "ducking" seth mitchell, robert helenius, etc?

he SPARS with scott, wilder, etc.

cmon man.

Thompson was indeed a mandatory both times, which is why I deliberately left him out of the Rahman, Mormeck, Wach, Pianeta, Briggs, Charr list.

With regards to Chisora, that maybe. But he put up a good show vs Vitali, and could have been given a fight vs Wlad that everyone would be stoked about. At least Chisora comes to fight and showed that he could beat Helenius.

it's a reality that the brotherhood of the klitschkos effects their matchmaking.

guys gain stock, fight one brother, and lose stock, eliminating hte possiblity of the other brother putting him on his resume until he gains stock again.

normally, the guys who beat everybody (the klitschkos,) fight eachother. they can't. you don't have to give credit to a brother for the victory of the other, but you have to recognize the impact of that victory on matchmaking.

I'm absolutely aware of the "difficulties" if you will, in terms of they are brothers. And I wouldn't expect them to fight each other. Both myself and my brother were amateur fighters at the same time, and we never fought either. And we didn't want to. So I get that.

Arreola was still ranked higher than many others after he lost to Vitali. And even after losing to Adamek, he went on to beat higher ranked fighters than the likes of Pianeta has. So I don't see the problem with making a fight.

The excuse that "he's unbeaten" is ridiculous and fans just eat it up. Anyone can be unbeaten if they fight the right people.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Dodging the question are we? How many of those were mandatories? Come on.

I don't actually know. I know Wlad has mandatories coming out his nose because he has all the belts.

Now answer my question.