Who's cherry picks the most.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Arreola was still ranked higher than many others after he lost to Vitali. And even after losing to Adamek, he went on to beat higher ranked fighters than the likes of Pianeta has. So I don't see the problem with making a fight.

The problem is that Arreola's promoter wasn't going to feed him to a Klitschko again if he had any other choice. Why don't you understand this?

[LacedUp]

I don't actually know. I know Wlad has mandatories coming out his nose because he has all the belts.

Now answer my question.

The answer is NONE were mandatories. NONE. ZILCH. ZERO.

And no he doesn't have mandatories coming out of his nose, because the "unified rules" apply to Wlad, meaning he gets extensions on pretty much all mandatories. Only the IBF truly uphold their mandatory challenger.

Oh my God. I hope you aren't suggesting that people were "afraid" to fight them? They work all they can to get a shot at the klitschko brothers. Everybody wants to fight them.

However, not everybody wants to be tied into 3 options and get less fighting the klitschkos than what they'd get fighting other top contenders.

and I couldn't care less about Arreola. Pick another one.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

The answer is NONE were mandatories. NONE. ZILCH. ZERO.

And no he doesn't have mandatories coming out of his nose, because the "unified rules" apply to Wlad, meaning he gets extensions on pretty much all mandatories. Only the IBF truly uphold their mandatory challenger.

Oh my God. I hope you aren't suggesting that people were "afraid" to fight them? They work all they can to get a shot at the klitschko brothers. Everybody wants to fight them.

However, not everybody wants to be tied into 3 options and get less fighting the klitschkos than what they'd get fighting other top contenders.

and I couldn't care less about Arreola. Pick another one.

Of course they are scared because that's the holy grail and their careers are over if they get battered by the Klitschkos. You just mentioned Arreola and then you get owned on the subject so you say you don't care anymore...lol. Arreola is still trying to rebuild after getting smashed by Vitali. He was the Yank's biggest HW hope at one point, endorsed by Larry Merchant on HBO. You think the likes of Wilder/Mitchell haven't seen that and thought to themselves "*** that, I'm gonna keep fighting bums".

[New England]

Thompson was indeed a mandatory both times, which is why I deliberately left him out of the Rahman, Mormeck, Wach, Pianeta, Briggs, Charr list.

With regards to Chisora, that maybe. But he put up a good show vs Vitali, and could have been given a fight vs Wlad that everyone would be stoked about. At least Chisora comes to fight and showed that he could beat Helenius.



I'm absolutely aware of the "difficulties" if you will, in terms of they are brothers. And I wouldn't expect them to fight each other. Both myself and my brother were amateur fighters at the same time, and we never fought either. And we didn't want to. So I get that.

Arreola was still ranked higher than many others after he lost to Vitali. And even after losing to Adamek, he went on to beat higher ranked fighters than the likes of Pianeta has. So I don't see the problem with making a fight.

The excuse that "he's unbeaten" is ridiculous and fans just eat it up. Anyone can be unbeaten if they fight the right people.

you have to pay arreola more money, without making a ton of extra money for fighting him. it's also a more difficult fight against an aggressor. additionally, the same people that talk up arreola if wlad won't fight him will put him down when he fights "a fat bum." you can fight less arreolas in your career than you can fight pianetas. i know that's not something a fan wants to hear, but it's a reality. they don't want to be veggies when they're older, and i don't blame them for that.

in addition to being fighters they promote themselves, and choose who they will fight outright.

the klitschkos go through the extra work of promoting themselves. that's obviously a huge part of their motivation [making money long term,] even if outwardly they might not act like floyd "money" or "about billions" broner.

[LacedUp]

I don't actually know. I know Wlad has mandatories coming out his nose because he has all the belts.

Now answer my question.

Of course they are scared because that's the holy grail and their careers are over if they get battered by the Klitschkos. You just mentioned Arreola and then you get owned on the subject so you say you don't care anymore...lol. Arreola is still trying to rebuild after getting smashed by Vitali. He was the Yank's biggest HW hope at one point, endorsed by Larry Merchant on HBO. You think the likes of Wilder/Mitchell haven't seen that and thought to themselves "*** that, I'm gonna keep fighting bums".

I didn't specify Arreola. I said he would be a better fight for Wlad than Pianeta. Then New England or yourself said he was scared or his manager didn't want to put him in there. Am I then "owned" on the subject?

Lol, you need to sharpen your pencil mate.

You, however, were owned when you tried to call me out on the mandatory situation. You were just trying to pass it by me to back up your claim, thinking I probably don't know who's mandatory for the heavyweight title. Unfortunately for you, I know.

[LacedUp]

you have to pay arreola more money, without making a ton of extra money for fighting him. it's also a more difficult fight against an aggressor. you can fight less arreolas in your career than you can fight pianetas. i know that's not something a fan wants to hear, but it's a reality. they don't want to be veggies when they're older, and i don't blame them for that.

in addition to being fighters they promote themselves, and choose who they will fight outright.

the klitschkos go through the extra work of promoting themselves. that's obviously a huge part of their motivation [making money long term,] even if outwardly they might not act like floyd "money" or "about billions" broner.

Aha! And there lies the root to the problem.

[FerFAL]

When was the last time Mayweather fought a legit welterweight in his prime?

There's my answer.

Oh, Floyd's the king no dobut. He picks them when they are just perfect: Slow and young with crappy KO rate, legend past their prime, or downright nobodies he has to promote himself and build them up because they are total bums. He's the one and only, true king of the cherry pickers.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I didn't specify Arreola. I said he would be a better fight for Wlad than Pianeta. Then New England or yourself said he was scared or his manager didn't want to put him in there. Am I then "owned" on the subject?

Lol, you need to sharpen your pencil mate.

You, however, were owned when you tried to call me out on the mandatory situation. You were just trying to pass it by me to back up your claim, thinking I probably don't know who's mandatory for the heavyweight title. Unfortunately for you, I know.

You did specify Arreola. You specifically named him as a fight that could have easily been made when it quite clearly could not. Arreola still has/had a name. There's no reason for his promoter to feed him to the wolves again. Whereas someone like Pianeta is never going to be anything anyway so it's easier for someone like him to get in there with a Klitschko.

This must be a good learning experience for you. Whether they were mandatories or not is kinda irrelevant because you named a bunch of fighters who simply wouldn't get in the ring with the Klitschkos regardless. You named Malik Scott ffs! The guy has been fighting since the year 2000 and his first step up was against Chisora a few weeks ago but you named him as a guy that the Klitschkos could have fought

Get a clue.

[LacedUp]

You did specify Arreola. You specifically named him as a fight that could have easily been made when it quite clearly could not. Arreola still has/had a name. There's no reason for his promoter to feed him to the wolves again. Whereas someone like Pianeta is never going to be anything anyway so it's easier for someone like him to get in there with a Klitschko.

This must be a good learning experience for you. Whether they were mandatories or not is kinda irrelevant because you named a bunch of fighters who simply wouldn't get in the ring with the Klitschkos regardless. You named Malik Scott ffs! The guy has been fighting since the year 2000 and his first step up was against Chisora a few weeks ago but you named him as a guy that the Klitschkos could have fought

Get a clue.

Dude, now you are just trying to talk over me. Let's see what I said, shall we?

First off, I mentioned Arreola in passing as a fight that would be better. Then New England said he was already beaten by Vitali to which I replied:

Arreola was still ranked higher than many others after he lost to Vitali. And even after losing to Adamek, he went on to beat higher ranked fighters than the likes of Pianeta has. So I don't see the problem with making a fight.

Did I specifically point him out? Or are you choosing to nit pick on this because it's all you've got? So what regarding Scott? His wins were still better than Pianetas.

So now it doesn't matter if they were mandatories or not? A moment ago you used it as an excuse for Klitschko to fight them? Which one is it Dirk?

I think you should get a clue, and you should severely up your arguments and especially your discussing ability instead of just saying "get a clue" when you can't come up with anything but ridiculous theories based on fantasy to back up your crazy notions.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Dude, now you are just trying to talk over me. Let's see what I said, shall we?

First off, I mentioned Arreola in passing as a fight that would be better. Then New England said he was already beaten by Vitali to which I replied:



Did I specifically point him out? Or are you choosing to nit pick on this because it's all you've got? So what regarding Scott? His wins were still better than Pianetas.

So now it doesn't matter if they were mandatories or not? A moment ago you used it as an excuse for Klitschko to fight them? Which one is it Dirk?

I think you should get a clue, and you should severely up your arguments and especially your discussing ability instead of just saying "get a clue" when you can't come up with anything but ridiculous theories based on fantasy to back up your crazy notions.

You mentioned Arreola and you mentioned Scott. Could these fights have been made against the Klitschkos?

You mentioned David Price for ***'s sake