Is Wladimir Klitschko a top 5 ATG heavyweight?

[LacedUp]

Hey Tyson rejected a prime Lennox fight and didn't Tyson beat him up in sparring?

Eh no. The story goes that Tyson won the first day and Lennox won the two next days. Don't know how this is relevant to the debate, but Tyson said that he needed "a couple more fights" to fight Lennox for about 6 years and even have up a belt to avoid him.

[LacedUp]

First you can explain to me Willard's long title reign.

It's four years longer than Wlad's undisputed title reign. Because we still don't even know if he's the best of his era.

[beez721]

Well, it's always easy to say someone was shot after he's been beaten. Fact if the matter is that these Guys were solid at the time. With regards to norton, very few had an easy time with him so that's no surprise. Frazier was a hype job of sorts, much like Povetkin or Haye to some extent, though the two latter hae more to back up their claim. People are also quick to dismiss the fact that 2/3 of the press picked Ali to win against Holmes even though Holmes had spent the last 6 years beating him up in sparring.

true about ali but judging on the way ali performed he clearly had nothing left. he was so slow and lethargic in there. it was sad

[Madjab]

It's four years longer than Wlad's undisputed title reign. Because we still don't even know if he's the best of his era.

And who did Willard beat? Or will you continue to dance about the bush?

[beez721]

And who did Willard beat? Or will you continue to dance about the bush?

comparing wlad with Dempsey in terms of greatness is so damn hard. fighters were so much smaller and crude back then. neither had great opponents imo

[beez721]

Eh no. The story goes that Tyson won the first day and Lennox won the two next days. Don't know how this is relevant to the debate, but Tyson said that he needed "a couple more fights" to fight Lennox for about 6 years and even have up a belt to avoid him.

true story. lewis was one of the most ducked fighters in the history of the sport and hes top 5 imo all tho I still think he should have rematched vitali,,,lol

[PAC-BOY]

Top 5,6,7,8,9,10 any of them is good for me

[LacedUp]

true about ali but judging on the way ali performed he clearly had nothing left. he was so slow and lethargic in there. it was sad

I agree Ali was done of course. But it takes away from Holmes victory. He was also the only man ever to stop Ali.

Also, Foreman didn't want to fight Holmes. From 78-85 Holmes was devastatingly good. He was one of the most accomplished fighters I ever saw and one of the few I would give a good shot at winning against Ali prime for prime.

[beez721]

I agree Ali was done of course. But it takes away from Holmes victory. He was also the only man ever to stop Ali.

Also, Foreman didn't want to fight Holmes. From 78-85 Holmes was devastatingly good. He was one of the most accomplished fighters I ever saw and one of the few I would give a good shot at winning against Ali prime for prime.

yep,,,which is why I have him in the top 10 for sure

[Madjab]

Top 5,6,7,8,9,10 any of them is good for me

That's Vitali.....