Is Wladimir Klitschko a top 5 ATG heavyweight?

[LacedUp]

Id imagine you don't have holmes in there either then? ok,,I know larry wasn't stopped 3 times like wlad but he did get a couple gift decisions in my opinion and he also didn't beat the greatest of fighters either. fwiw I think both holmes and wlad are top 10 with holmes closer to 6 or 7 and wlad closer to 10

Two completely different scenarios. Holmes beat a lot of very good fighters. Shavers, Norton, Mercer, Cooney, Unbeaten Frazier, Ali, Spinks, Witherspoon, Smith, Williams.

Most of these guys were solid fighters who had previously fought for a title or held one in most cases. Granted he did fight the odd nobody as did anyone. An he also made 20+ defenses of the undisputed title.

[LacedUp]

I don't fault wlad for not rematching sanders or purrity becuz we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. maybe he tried like hell to get them but couldn't. who knows for sure

Well, if Vitali could get a fight with Sanders, I'm sure Wlad could too.

And even if not, this was just a reply to the other guys claim that Denpsey didn't do his rematches.

[Madjab]

Well, if Vitali could get a fight with Sanders, I'm sure Wlad could too.

And even if not, this was just a reply to the other guys claim that Denpsey didn't do his rematches.

Sanders rejected a rematch from Wladmir did he not?

[LacedUp]

You have to be trolling? How many times Did Willard even defend his title. I dont think he even did unless it was againt a nobody.

And which great fighter did Wlad defend against?

[LacedUp]

Sanders rejected a rematch from Wladmir did he not?

Yeah I guess he was too scared to take on a guy he smashed in two rounds...

[Madjab]

And which great fighter did Wlad defend against?

First you can explain to me Willard's long title reign.

[beez721]

Two completely different scenarios. Holmes beat a lot of very good fighters. Shavers, Norton, Mercer, Cooney, Unbeaten Frazier, Ali, Spinks, Witherspoon, Smith, Williams.

Most of these guys were solid fighters who had previously fought for a title or held one in most cases. Granted he did fight the odd nobody as did anyone. An he also made 20+ defenses of the undisputed title.

Norton was well past it and it was a life and death struggle. ali shot to bits. witherspoon should have got the decision imo. frazier was a poor opponent and more of a blown up cruiserweight. I also thought the carl Williams fight was very close and could have gone either way. he lost the spinks fights ( although I concede he probably eked out the second fight). granted he should be placed higher than wlad as he was never starched in a fight and has slightly better wins but I just don't think there that far apart. I do respect your opinion tho as you at least try to back your statements up unlike some of the obvious haters on here who clearly have an agenda. anyway,,,,its a good debate

[Madjab]

Yeah I guess he was too scared to take on a guy he smashed in two rounds...

Hey Tyson rejected a prime Lennox fight and didn't Tyson beat him up in sparring?

[beez721]

Well, if Vitali could get a fight with Sanders, I'm sure Wlad could too.

And even if not, this was just a reply to the other guys claim that Denpsey didn't do his rematches.

he had a more prestigious title to gain by fighting vitali and had little to gain by beating wlad again but who knows for sure. maybe wlad ducked him maybe he didn't. we just don't know

[LacedUp]

Norton was well past it and it was a life and death struggle. ali shot to bits. witherspoon should have got the decision imo. frazier was a poor opponent and more of a blown up cruiserweight. I also thought the carl Williams fight was very close and could have gone either way. he lost the spinks fights ( although I concede he probably eked out the second fight). granted he should be placed higher than wlad as he was never starched in a fight and has slightly better wins but I just don't think there that far apart. I do respect your opinion tho as you at least try to back your statements up unlike some of the obvious haters on here who clearly have an agenda. anyway,,,,its a good debate

Well, it's always easy to say someone was shot after he's been beaten. Fact if the matter is that these Guys were solid at the time. With regards to norton, very few had an easy time with him so that's no surprise. Frazier was a hype job of sorts, much like Povetkin or Haye to some extent, though the two latter hae more to back up their claim. People are also quick to dismiss the fact that 2/3 of the press picked Ali to win against Holmes even though Holmes had spent the last 6 years beating him up in sparring.