Is Wladimir Klitschko a top 5 ATG heavyweight?

[RajahBell]

I think so. Firpo, Willard and Gibbons are about as good as it gets for Dempsey's resume, plus he made a mockery horsing about being a celeb rather than actually defending his title.

He probably contributed more to the sport because of this, which helped boxing become a major sport in America. Boxing Historian Bert Sugar said he belong to the Pantheon of Sports during his time. We can't say Wlad belongs in the Pantheon of Sports. Dempsey > Wlad.

Besides, Wlad needs to UNIFY all the belts to be considered in the top 10 in my opinion. The other top 10 ATG champs were mostly "Undisputed Champions". Vitali complicates Wlad's ranking.

[Madjab]

He probably contributed more to the sport because of this, which helped boxing become a major sport in America. Boxing Historian Bert Sugar said he belong to the Pantheon of Sports during his time. We can't say Wlad belongs in the Pantheon of Sports. Dempsey > Wlad.

Besides, Wlad needs to UNIFY all the belts to be considered in the top 10 in my opinion. The other top 10 ATG champs were mostly "Undisputed Champions". Vitali complicates Wlad's ranking.

So you don't hold Dempsey ducking Greb, Wills or a Langford rematch against him, but you penalize Wlad for not fighting his brother?

I could care less what Sugar has to say. I've read his book, and it's a joke.

[Verstyle]

Ali
Louis
Marciano
Frazier
Foreman

would you rank him over any of these 5?

[LacedUp]

So you don't hold Dempsey ducking Greb, Wills or a Langford rematch against him, but you penalize Wlad for not fighting his brother?

I could care less what Sugar has to say. I've read his book, and it's a joke.

I found both sugars books to be good reads. You don't have to agree to find them interesting.

What about Wlad's rematch? Rematch against Purrity? Sanders? Let big bro soften up Peter before Wlad could finish the corpse.

Ali
Louis
Marciano
Frazier
Foreman

would you rank him over any of these 5?

No. What about Lennox, Holmes, Johnson, Dempsey, and Holyfield? Would you rank him above them?

[Barn]

He's probably greater than Marciano, Johnson and Dempsey.

[Madjab]

I found both sugars books to be good reads. You don't have to agree to find them interesting.

What about Wlad's rematch? Rematch against Purrity? Sanders? Let big bro soften up Peter before Wlad could finish the corpse.



No. What about Lennox, Holmes, Johnson, Dempsey, and Holyfield? Would you rank him above them?

Where am I big upping him for imaginary rematch wins? I'm not. You're the one trying to make Willard out to be someone he never was.

I guess Wlad gets big credit for Rahman since Rahman was able to beat a greater heavyweight in Lewis.

[LacedUp]

Where am I big upping him for imaginary rematch wins? I'm not. You're the one trying to make Willard out to be someone he never was.

I guess Wlad gets big credit for Rahman since Rahman was able to beat a greater heavyweight in Lewis.

I didn't say you were bigging him up. I said big bro took care of Wlad's rematches.

And there's a difference. Willard was legitimate lineal champ and had reigned for a number of years. Rahman wasn't either of those.

[beez721]

But can you justify top 10? His resume clearly lacks the stand out names compared to other fighters in the top 10.

Longevity is not enough to be great IMO.

Id imagine you don't have holmes in there either then? ok,,I know larry wasn't stopped 3 times like wlad but he did get a couple gift decisions in my opinion and he also didn't beat the greatest of fighters either. fwiw I think both holmes and wlad are top 10 with holmes closer to 6 or 7 and wlad closer to 10

[beez721]

I found both sugars books to be good reads. You don't have to agree to find them interesting.

What about Wlad's rematch? Rematch against Purrity? Sanders? Let big bro soften up Peter before Wlad could finish the corpse.



No. What about Lennox, Holmes, Johnson, Dempsey, and Holyfield? Would you rank him above them?

I don't fault wlad for not rematching sanders or purrity becuz we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. maybe he tried like hell to get them but couldn't. who knows for sure

[Madjab]

I didn't say you were bigging him up. I said big bro took care of Wlad's rematches.

And there's a difference. Willard was legitimate lineal champ and had reigned for a number of years. Rahman wasn't either of those.

You have to be trolling? How many times Did Willard even defend his title. I dont think he even did unless it was againt a nobody.