Is Wladimir Klitschko a top 5 ATG heavyweight?

[PAC-BOY]

That's Vitali.....

Damn...thought thread said VK...my bad. Oh well VK and WK then...

[Madjab]

comparing wlad with Dempsey in terms of greatness is so damn hard. fighters were so much smaller and crude back then. neither had great opponents imo

People are blinded by the Dempsey legacy. He was such a big star in USA sports, not just in boxing, but in sports that he is horrendously overrated. He couldn't beat Tunney and lost in a round to JIM FLYNN.

He was much more a personality than a top 10 HW great. Maybe in impact, but not in accomplishment. Sitting on a title and turning down fights does nothing for me.

[LacedUp]

And who did Willard beat? Or will you continue to dance about the bush?

Well nobody expected him to beat Jack Johnson, though he came in out of shape - no fault of Willard's. Both Pelkey and McCarthy were good wins, even though they were not official. He beat William Young twice, the second time he effectively killed him as he died a couple of days later or something like that.

Notated how you put it, Willard was a four year reigning undisputed champ and Dempsey beat him in three rounds. This guy was known as te toughest guy in the world and Dempsey demolished very quickly. Dempsey came in as the underdog. When has Wlad beaten someone he wasn't expected to beat?

[Madjab]

Well nobody expected him to beat Jack Johnson, though he came in out of shape - no fault of Willard's. Both Pelkey and McCarthy were good wins, even though they were not official. He beat William Young twice, the second time he effectively killed him as he died a couple of days later or something like that.

Notated how you put it, Willard was a four year reigning undisputed champ and Dempsey beat him in three rounds. This guy was known as te toughest guy in the world and Dempsey demolished very quickly. Dempsey came in as the underdog. When has Wlad beaten someone he wasn't expected to beat?

Willard was signing circus contracts instead of defending his title. I just looked, he officially defended it once against a nobody. Some long title reign

[LacedUp]

true story. lewis was one of the most ducked fighters in the history of the sport and hes top 5 imo all tho I still think he should have rematched vitali,,,lol

Yeah so do i, but if you're done you're done.

[LacedUp]

Willard was signing circus contracts instead of defending his title. I just looked, he officially defended it once against a nobody. Some long title reign

You didn't answer my last question.

[LacedUp]

People are blinded by the Dempsey legacy. He was such a big star in USA sports, not just in boxing, but in sports that he is horrendously overrated. He couldn't beat Tunney and lost in a round to JIM FLYNN.

He was much more a personality than a top 10 HW great. Maybe in impact, but not in accomplishment. Sitting on a title and turning down fights does nothing for me.

So what if he couldn't beat Tunney? Tunney was a great fighter, way ahead of his time. A great LHW too.

[Madjab]

A ton were picking Haye to spark Wlad, actually. The Brewster rematch as well.

[LacedUp]

A ton were picking Haye to spark Wlad, actually. The Brewster rematch as well.

Lol. Was or was Wlad not the favorite to beat both of them? Yes he was.

[Madjab]

Lol. Was or was Wlad not the favorite to beat both of them? Yes he was.

The odds werent that big for Willard. So it's Wlad's fault he is the fave over everyone? Smart money talks and Wlad is the best heavyweight in the world and has been for years. Dempsey was for 4 years tops then he ducked Wills and Greb