Is Wladimir Klitschko a top 5 ATG heavyweight?

[Madjab]

Liston is not a top 5 HW.

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Marciano
Lewis
Foreman
Frazier
Holyfield
Johnson
Wladmir

Tyson/Liston/Dempsey/Walcott/Patterson, etc.

[LacedUp]

Liston is not a top 5 HW.

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Marciano
Lewis
Foreman
Frazier
Holyfield
Johnson
Wladmir

Tyson/Liston/Dempsey/Walcott/Patterson, etc.

Wlad > Dempsey? I don't think so.

[yoz]

In before someone ranks Tyson above Lewis...

[Madjab]

Wlad > Dempsey? I don't think so.

I think so. Firpo, Willard and Gibbons are about as good as it gets for Dempsey's resume, plus he made a mockery horsing about being a celeb rather than actually defending his title.

[LacedUp]

In before someone ranks Tyson above Lewis...

Haha. I've seen that a few times actually. That's even more criminal than ranking Wlad higher than Foreman/Holmes etc..

[LacedUp]

I think so. Firpo, Willard and Gibbons are about as good as it gets for Dempsey's resume, plus he made a mockery horsing about being a celeb rather than actually defending his title.

Er.. No.

And which win on Wlad's resume is better than Willard?

[SBleeder]

I think so. Firpo, Willard and Gibbons are about as good as it gets for Dempsey's resume, plus he made a mockery horsing about being a celeb rather than actually defending his title.

Carpentier, Meehan, Miske too. And Sharkey was no bum, nor was Jim Flynn.

[Madjab]

Er.. No.

And which win on Wlad's resume is better than Willard?

Yes. What was so great about Willard? Wlad has a host of wins as good as beating that big Oaf.

[LacedUp]

Yes. What was so great about Willard? Wlad has a host of wins as good as beating that big Oaf.

No. Willard beat Johnson and was the legitimate HW champion, something Wlad has yet to achieve himself never mind any of his opponents. He beat multiple ranked opponents and held the title for four years. He was big and strong and basically swept all competition to the side before losing to Dempsey.

[Madjab]

No. Willard beat Johnson and was the legitimate HW champion, something Wlad has yet to achieve himself never mind any of his opponents. He beat multiple ranked opponents and held the title for four years. He was big and strong and basically swept all competition to the side before losing to Dempsey.

Beating fat old Johnson in a fight many believe Johnson took a dive in means very little to me. Isn't his record like 21-6 ?

And that is Dempsey's best win? God give me Sharkey over Willard even.