How can Ring Magazine 154 belt be on the line?

[Hougigo]

I already answered this once. It is not taking place at any of the standard weights. It is a CATCH WEIGHT. I am not going to answer this again.



What I quoted from Wiki does not agree with you at all. Read the next couple of sentences.

AGAIN:




So you can fight for the JMW belt and weight in at 147. Or 140. Or 108. Or 90 ****ing pounds. You CANNOT weigh MORE THAN 154. How many times will we have to go over this???

Yes you can. You can weight whatever the hell you like for a fight as long as it's below the weight range or the contracted weight within the range.

are you trying to say you can't weigh in below the weight class, because you can.

Where does the wiki quote not agree with what I said?
Where it said a nonstandard weight limit is a catchweight?

154 is standard
152 is nonstandard
Both are still JMW

I don't know how many more times we do have to go over this.
You even bring out quotes that support what I'm saying

[APryor]

I can't believe people watch boxing intently and don't get it.
The rules basically imply that the weight class is determined as being above the one below. In other words JMW = 147+. Any weight over 147 is JMW. There is no upper limit but when you hit above 154 you are now hitting the lower limit of the Middleweight division. If two fighters agree to fight at JMW they are agreeing to a fight at 147+ without going into the middleweight division. If two fighters want to place an upper limit on the 147+ division then that is up to them. In this instance the fight will have a limit of 152 but it is still a 147+ fight therefore it is still a recognized division of JMW.

Totally wrong. Read the thread. You have it exactly backwards.

[Gatling]

I stand corrected on two counts, however Hopkins vs. Calzaghe wasn't fought at a catchweight and Henry Armstrong never won a world title fight at a catcheweight of 140lbs.

Armstrong/Ross was contracted at 140 was it not. Also fought Jenkins at a catchweight but I'm not sure if the belt was on the line.

Was Hopkins/Calzaghe not scheduled for 170? Wright/Hopkins too I believe (I'm going off memory here)

[APryor]

are you trying to say you can't weigh in below the weight class, because you can.

OK, I have to put you on ignore now.

[Kingjames6Flee]

Not true. Junior Middleweight means you can weigh a maximum of 154. It does not mean you must weigh 148-154. It means you can weigh anything UP TO 154. You can weigh 146. You can weigh 140. You can weigh anything UP TO 154. That's the definition of the Junior Middleweight weight class.

This fight is being contested at a maximum weight of 152. This is not a Jnr. MW bout.

Any bout scheduled between 148-154 is considered jmw. I don't think the guy was saying you had to weight specifically that just any bout scheduled between those weighs.

[Hougigo]

OK, I have to put you on ignore now.

You're putting me on ignore because I proved you wrong?
Or is it because I used logic?

Can you at least answer me that first?

It doesn't really matter how much you hate the CW, it's still a JMW fight whether you like it or not.
If it helps you sleep better at night to think it's some non-existent time plane dimensional world of nothingness, more power to you.

[rayb112]

I guess we need to re-open the thread since a completely incorrect definition of the LMW weight class was given.

Maybe some other people will understand the question.

anything over 147 to 154 IS junior middle weight OR Light middle weight

[APryor]

Any bout scheduled between 148-154 is considered jmw.

No.

A JMW bout is one where you can weigh up to 154. That's it people, there is no other definition.

A bout with a max weight of 148 is not a JMW bout.

A bout with a max weight of 149 is not a JMW bout.

A bout with a max weight of 150 is not a JMW bout.

A bout with a max weight of 151 is not a JMW bout.

A bout with a max weight of 152 is not a JMW bout.

A bout with a max weight of 153 is not a JMW bout.

In the JMW weight class, you can weigh UP TO 154. Not up to 152, up to 154. There is no other definition.

A bout with a max weight of 152 is being fought at a CATCH WEIGHT.

OK, I won't explain this stuff again. I give up now.

[Gatling]

So fighter's own the Ring belt? They can sell it? They can use it as a bargaining chip?

They can agree to fight for their alphabet belts under totally different rules? Like Canelo could offer up his belts in negotiations and fight Chavez at 168?

Are you sure you have thought this through?

I think you need to have a word with yourself. :dunce

[Hougigo]

No.

A JMW bout is one where you can weigh up to 154. That's it people, there is no other definition.

A bout with a max weight of 148 is a JMW bout.

A bout with a max weight of 149 is a JMW bout.

A bout with a max weight of 150 is a JMW bout.

A bout with a max weight of 151 is a JMW bout.

A bout with a max weight of 152 is a JMW bout.

A bout with a max weight of 153 is a JMW bout.


A bout with a max weight of 152 is being fought at a CATCH WEIGHT in the JMW weight class.

OK, I won't explain this stuff again. I give up now.

Fixed it so you don't sound as ******