How can Ring Magazine 154 belt be on the line?

[APryor]

No, fighters can agree on a specific weight inside of the weight class if they want. It's happened literally for over 100 years.

The Ring belt has literally been fought for under catchweights for 100 years? You guys keep coming up with stunning new information.

[Jam Jars]

If you can't come in at 153, 154 which is JMW how can it be called a JMW fight? It can't, it's a catch-weight fight and no title should be contested.

[Gatling]

So fighter's own the Ring belt? They can sell it? They can use it as a bargaining chip?

They can agree to fight for their alphabet belts under totally different rules? Like Canelo could offer up his belts in negotiations and fight Chavez at 168?

Are you sure you have thought this through?

thats basically the only relevance a title has these days. ring titles have changed hands at catchweights before.

[Hougigo]

This fight is not taking place in any established weight class. It is being fought at a catch weight.



Repeating this does not make it true. A LMW fight is one in which you can weigh anything up to 154. Not 148, not 152... 154.



Here, I copied and pasted this from wikipedia:

Then what weight class is this happening in?
Unknown?
The catweight is in the JMW bracket, that makes it a JMW fight. If they set the catchweight to 148, that'd still be a JMW fight.
They can weight whatever they want as long as it's below the contracted weight.
Even your wiki quote's first sentence agrees:

In boxing, a weight class is a standardized weight range for boxers

JMW weight range = 147.1 - 154
Like I said, 148 is within that range and if you wanted to make a fight that is classified as JMW, then 148 would still pass

152 is within that range. They can weight whatever they want as long as it's under that. If they go over but still under 154, they just comply to penalties.

[ИATAS]

The Ring belt has literally been fought for under catchweights for 100 years? You guys keep coming up with stunning new information.

That's obviously not what I said. Catchweights have been around for over a hundred years. Ring belt only goes back about 20-30 years edit or they stopped for a period of time

The Ring began awarding championship belts in 1922. The first Ring world title belt was awarded to heavyweight champion Jack Dempsey and the second was awarded to flyweight champion Pancho Villa. The Ring stopped giving belts to world champions in the 1990s, but began again in 2002.

[APryor]

If you can't come in at 153, 154 which is JMW how can it be called a JMW fight? It can't, it's a catch-weight fight and no title should be contested.

DING DING DING

I don't care how the alphabet soup orgs want to handle this kind of thing, because they have zero integrity. But the Ring belt is supposed to be different. And Ring Magazine is supposed to be independent from GBP.

If DLH and Schaefer are in charge of decisions concerning Ring rankings, we need to know that.

[ИATAS]

I wonder how many times the lineal title has been on the line in those bouts, though. I'm gonna take a guess at about 0.

Bernard Hopkins 160 pound Ring Belt was on the line against Oscar at a cw of 158 pounds.

[APryor]

Then what weight class is this happening in?
Unknown?

I already answered this once. It is not taking place at any of the standard weights. It is a CATCH WEIGHT. I am not going to answer this again.

The catweight is in the JMW bracket, that makes it a JMW fight. If they set the catchweight to 148, that'd still be a JMW fight.
They can weight whatever they want as long as it's below the contracted weight.
Even your wiki quote's first sentence agrees:

JMW weight range = 147.1 - 154
Like I said, 148 is within that range and if you wanted to make a fight that is classified as JMW, then 148 would still pass

152 is within that range. They can weight whatever they want as long as it's under that. If they go over but still under 154, they just comply to penalties.

What I quoted from Wiki does not agree with you at all. Read the next couple of sentences.

AGAIN:

An amateur boxer's weight must in addition not fall below the lower limit,[2] although pro boxers may fight above their weight class. A nonstandard weight limit is called a catch weight.

So you can fight for the JMW belt and weight in at 147. Or 140. Or 108. Or 90 ****ing pounds. You CANNOT weigh MORE THAN 154. How many times will we have to go over this???

[PAC-BOY]

That's obviously not what I said. Catchweights have been around for over a hundred years. Ring belt only goes back about 20-30 years

correction. It goes back over 90 years.

[Gatling]

Bernard Hopkins 160 pound Ring Belt was on the line against Oscar at a cw of 158 pounds.

Martinez/Williams and Hopkins/Calzaghe too I believe.

Armstrong won his title at a catchweight of 140. Canelo his title at a catchweight too