How can Ring Magazine 154 belt be on the line?

[APryor]

the same way all the other belts are on the line. the orgs allow catchweights. always have probably always will. i dont agree with it, but seriously its just the crappy ring belt anyways. whats worse imo is the lineal title is pretty much up for grabs as well. not sure how i feel about that. ill wait to see how canelo looks at the weigh in.

Yeah, I understand the alphabet soup organizatons are a god damn joke. I know why their titles can be fought for at catchweights - because they only care about money. They would break any rule if they could get away with it and profit from it.

But the Ring belt? The Ring rankings are *supposed* to be held to a higher standard.

If they start claiming the lineal belt is also on the line, that is likewise bull****.

[Hougigo]

Not true. Junior Middleweight means you can weigh a maximum of 154. It does not mean you must weigh 148-154. It means you can weigh anything UP TO 154. You can weigh 146. You can weigh 140. You can weigh anything UP TO 154. That's the definition of the Junior Middleweight weight class.

This fight is being contested at a maximum weight of 152. This is not a Jnr. MW bout.

152 is still in the realm of JMW though. What weight class would it be in then if it wasn't JMW?
It is a JMW bout because it's in between the bracket of 147.1 and 154. If a fight was at 148, that's JMW, if a fight was at 146, that's WW.

[Jam Jars]

If it's not JMW rules (can weigh up to 154) it's not a JMW fight. You can't change rules and call it the same.

[ИATAS]

152 is still in the realm of JMW though. What weight class would it be in then if it wasn't JMW?
It is a JMW bout because it's in between the bracket of 147.1 and 154. If a fight was at 148, that's JMW, if a fight was at 146, that's WW.

Exactly. Anyway you slice it this is a junior middleweight fight, period.

You can oppose catchweights all you'd like but that doesn't mean it's not still JMW.

Im guessing other ring belts have been on the line before in cw fights.

[Gatling]

because Canelo agreed to it. This isn't the first time it happened. Wont be the last

[APryor]

152 is still in the realm of JMW though. What weight class would it be in then if it wasn't JMW?

This fight is not taking place in any established weight class. It is being fought at a catch weight.

It is a JMW bout because it's in between the bracket of 147.1 and 154. If a fight was at 148, that's JMW, if a fight was at 146, that's WW.

Repeating this does not make it true. A LMW fight is one in which you can weigh anything up to 154. Not 148, not 152... 154.



Here, I copied and pasted this from wikipedia:

In boxing, a weight class is a standardized weight range for boxers. The lower limit of a weight class is equal to the upper weight limit of the class below it. The top class, with no upper limit, is called heavyweight in professional boxing and super heavyweight[1] in amateur boxing. A boxing match is usually scheduled for a fixed weight class, and each boxer's weight must not exceed the upper limit. An amateur boxer's weight must in addition not fall below the lower limit,[2] although pro boxers may fight above their weight class. A nonstandard weight limit is called a catch weight.

[Bolo Punch]

152 is still in the realm of JMW though. What weight class would it be in then if it wasn't JMW?
It is a JMW bout because it's in between the bracket of 147.1 and 154. If a fight was at 148, that's JMW, if a fight was at 146, that's WW.

I'm pretty sure you can weigh in at whatever weight you like, as long as it's under 154. 137, 142, 151, whatever, you're still under the limit of 154lbs. I certainly know that it's been done in the past.

[ИATAS]

If it's not JMW rules (can weigh up to 154) it's not a JMW fight. You can't change rules and call it the same.

No, fighters can agree on a specific weight inside of the weight class if they want. It's happened literally for over 100 years.

[APryor]

because Canelo agreed to it.

So fighter's own the Ring belt? They can sell it? They can use it as a bargaining chip?

They can agree to fight for their alphabet belts under totally different rules? Like Canelo could offer up his belts in negotiations and fight Chavez at 168?

Are you sure you have thought this through?

[Bolo Punch]

No, fighters can agree on a specific weight inside of the weight class if they want. It's happened literally for over 100 years.

I wonder how many times the lineal title has been on the line in those bouts, though. I'm gonna take a guess at about 0.