Comments Thread For: Fighting Words: Should Floyd Face the Best of 154, 160?

[DLT]

Good stuff, let's see what happens. All I know is if Floyd doesn't fight Canelo and goes after Devon, I'm ordering it still but your paying the $70 bill. Well exchange info another time so that can be arranged. Lol

Hell No. Even Im not paying $70 for Devon but Ive said all along that I think people are so wrong and that he's not on Floyd's radar. Everyone is acting like he's next but I think he's like 5th on Floyd's list at the most

[DLT]

Well nice try for putting words into my mouth. You totally misunderstood my point, but perhaps it's my fault. I'll comment on your post first though. The Trout/Mayweather example, fine. You want to treat Trout the same way as Mayweather, then fine. Don't talk him up to be any different then. You expect more from Mayweather has hes supposed to be the greatest of our generation, and is it really a big ask to make a fight in a division he's fought at twice, for world titles? You demand Mayweather be treat as an ATG yet argue how he's treat differently, it really astounds me. Like you said "you people are sooo funny" (gotta put in a highhorse comment in somewhere otherwise its not a certified NSB post)

My example was RJJ. He moved up a lot of divisions too, so I thought the example was pretty relevant. He dared to move up to HW and made history. I want to try put Mayweather in the same circle as RJJ, like people argue I should, but just like Pacquiao, it's just not the same. I argued he should dare to be great. Daring to become the lineal 154 champion? Why is that so far-fetched to you people? RJJ started off at 154, but we don't hear very many people use the same logic for him at 175. 160 is too big for a small guy like Floyd, but he'd sure get a hell of lot more respect for trying, like RJJ did. Instead, we have todays era of boxing of careful matchmaking, weight advantages etc etc.. He excelled where he expect him to, not dared to excel where we don't expect, and that's why i'll always respect RJJ more.

How many as Froch been in? 1. He made his entire career at 168. And he's a small supermiddleweight, so I mean, I hope you don't want to contradict your logic here. This example was pretty bad, but I understand your point so I won't nitpick. Froch fought anyone in his division back-to-back. I'm more than happy to call him great for doing that. But Mayweather hasn't really campaigned a division like that. He moves up weights instead, too different a career to compare. The 160+ divisions currently are also far less dynamic than 135-147. Not sure why, but it's just there.

If Mayweather did what Froch is doing at 168, he'd probably have the biggest fanbase in boxing history. No ducking accusations (as logically, he'd have fought everyone at 147) and we wouldn't have to worry about him at 154 as it isn't his division. But because of his weight moving career, people come out of the woodwork to try argue he is a career 147er, just as Froch as a career 168er. It's illogical. I could go on all day, but i'll give it a rest

RJ did exactly what you said Floyd is doing. You say Floyd cherry picked and fought Oscar-Cotto at 154 but not the other guys. RJ fought Ruiz and didnt fight any of the other dominant HW's

[DLT]

After combing through all these pages the conclusion.

It's ok for guys to come up in weight to fight Floyd but it's not ok for Floyd to go up in weight and defend his 154lb belt once. Martinez was willing to drain the hell out of himself to make 150 to fight floyd for two years offered 80% of all profits to Floyd. People had a problem with it because martinez was a 154lb king ages ago and now fights at 160. Now a natural 154lb fighter is willing to do the same and now he's too big even when the guy is willing to set a rehydration limit and even come down below 154lb to make the fight. Apparently Floyd trains 8 to 10 hours during training camp but only manages to somehow lose 2-4 lbs. Also by no stretch of the imagination walks around weighing more than 155, ever..even after rehydrating and not doing anything but jogging his daily miles.

Again, what youre saying is night & day. 1st off Floyd came all the way from SFW so he's moved up in weight more than 99% of the guys he's fought. Canelo hasnt done that.

2nd, nearly everyone he fights weighs more than him in the ring, even the guys moving up. If Floyd fights Canelo its over 20 pounds different. Why is it so hard for people to understand. Trust if that Canelo was 150 pounds then everyone would be calling Floyd an itch

[Bobby Chacon]

These comments are comedy. Are people really this ******. Its way to easy for Bob Arum and Dela Hoya to sale a dream. The media plays into it to, they get paid and the majority of so called boxing fans look like fools. I cant blame Floyd, Marquez, and Manny for milking the game its way to easy in boxing.

[SaldanaCC]

Wow the hate just wont stop!!!!!
Can they read or what?How many belts!?How many weight classes!?How many champs did he de-throne!?For how many yrs now an still doin it!?But hes not the best an he dont fight the best!?Woooow ill say it again he can move up to heaveight an win but the next day floyd haters would say somethin else!One day i hope they stop hatin but floyd wont allow it half the reason he keeps f**kin champs up is to wake up with another w an see he just added another million haters on top of the other millions of haters hes already got!!!!

[budfr]

overhyping the Mayweather product

Another writer that overhypes Floyd cause he is American. It´s their job to make the readers believe he is great in order to keep making money off his name. As I´ve stated before, Floyd is an overhyped product of US marketing geniuses. The ones tha can make an inanimated object ( a sponge ) , a living character. Floyd wins by running and holding, that is absolutely outrageous. He lost vs Castillo and De La Hoya but received gift decisions. He has ducked many fighters ( Martinez, Margarito, Paquiao, a prime Cotto, etc. ). He can´t knockout average oponents. In other words, it´s a product being marketed so consumers buy it. The funny thing is that most consumers usually pay to watch his fights because of his oponent, not him. ( cotto had more fans, for example). And some watch his fights because they hate him ( a marketing strategy ) and want to see the " historic " day when he losses that zero. He can´t break Chavez´record, though of 89-0. I´m wating Ladyfloyd fans.

[twosweethooks]

I like how you and Punchy couldn't gather the intellect to respond to me, goes to show it's all really hate. I, at the very least addressed most of your non issues. Thanks for playing though, peace

Its Hilarious and yet sad (maybe LOL) that the floyd boys answer solid data with a response like yours.

FACT: YOU HAVE """"NOTHING""" TO SAY MANG !!!!

[Mr. David]

Another writer that overhypes Floyd cause he is American. It´s their job to make the readers believe he is great in order to keep making money off his name. As I´ve stated before, Floyd is an overhyped product of US marketing geniuses. The ones tha can make an inanimated object ( a sponge ) , a living character. Floyd wins by running and holding, that is absolutely outrageous. He lost vs Castillo and De La Hoya but received gift decisions. He has ducked many fighters ( Martinez, Margarito, Paquiao, a prime Cotto, etc. ). He can´t knockout average oponents. In other words, it´s a product being marketed so consumers buy it. The funny thing is that most consumers usually pay to watch his fights because of his oponent, not him. ( cotto had more fans, for example). And some watch his fights because they hate him ( a marketing strategy ) and want to see the " historic " day when he losses that zero. He can´t break Chavez´record, though of 89-0. I´m wating Ladyfloyd fans.

So, did you actually read my article, or just skim the headline and first two paragraphs? I didn't take a stance, but presented both sides of the debate about whether Mayweather should aim even higher than 147, why and why not.

I don't carry the water for any fighter. The only boxer I've ever pulled for was Arturo Gatti.

Cheers, and thanks for reading.

-David

[The Big Dunn]

Another writer that overhypes Floyd cause he is American. It´s their job to make the readers believe he is great in order to keep making money off his name. As I´ve stated before, Floyd is an overhyped product of US marketing geniuses. The ones tha can make an inanimated object ( a sponge ) , a living character. Floyd wins by running and holding, that is absolutely outrageous. He lost vs Castillo and De La Hoya but received gift decisions. He has ducked many fighters ( Martinez, Margarito, Paquiao, a prime Cotto, etc. ). He can´t knockout average oponents. In other words, it´s a product being marketed so consumers buy it. The funny thing is that most consumers usually pay to watch his fights because of his oponent, not him. ( cotto had more fans, for example). And some watch his fights because they hate him ( a marketing strategy ) and want to see the " historic " day when he losses that zero. He can´t break Chavez´record, though of 89-0. I´m wating Ladyfloyd fans.

The sad thing is that you actually believe this. Its sad that posters like you will go full conspiracy theory and come up with this stuff instead of just admiting he got to the top because he is the best boxer aive.

[oneon11]

Haters don't know how to spell credit

good article. Its like I say, he gets penalyzed for being too good. All these guys from 140-147 can fight eachother and they are pretty much all great must see fights. If Floyd fights him then the fight sucks and he's a cherry picker.

He's only allowed to fight guys at 154-160 who are way bigger than him in the ring and naturally. Not only that but he wont get any extra credit for doing it. Its mandatory that he fights Canelo. Its just an average fight and a fight he should take or he's a coward.

You cant have that. It has to be fair. If you want him to fight them then fine but you better be ready to bow down and give mad credit if he wins because its extroidanary for him to beat a very good fighter who is nearly 25 pounds bigger than him that night and more than that natrually. Thats not a regular fight no matter how anyone wants to spin it

I agree with you 100%, but haters don't know the meaning of giving credit where credit is due; the man has performed brilliantly inside the ring. Everyone that was supposed to be a threat was dismissed and made to look ordinary. But just like the movie “Coming to America” (The barbershop scene where they are talking about Joe Louis), when you mention Floyd Mayweather someone always have to pull this fight or that fighter out there a**. A man like Floyd only comes around once in a blue moon & there are those who just can’t enjoy the skills & precision this man fights at. I’m pretty sure there are other fighters that didn’t rumble that these so called fans of today don’t even care about. But if the name Mayweather is mention here we go. He didn’t fight this guy, why he want the drug test, this, that the other. I’m like this & most everyone I know feels the same way. If you don’t have nothing to hide than why not prove you’re clean & make the other guy look foolish. Instead a fighter cast doubt in the minds of those accusing him of wrong doing by running & making excuses. Oh well, you can’t please everyone & if I was in Floyd’s shoes I would care less about anyone other than myself. Strange how in this country a person of color always have to prove his/her worth to those who mean very little to anyone. But if the fight the haters come off I already know who’s going to win & why. I just hope the haters don’t pull someone else out their** because all they are doing is stinking up the comment boards with their nonsense…….