The Floyd Mayweather Jr. master discussion thread. Post here, do not make new threads

[Fetta]

whats your cut of the ppv?

I never care about PPV but thread after thread its mentioned so it's a debating point. That's all.

Can you really tell me it won't be bigger come next May?

[DLT]

if youre a boxing head, you dont need this fight to get bigger or marinate or whatever the ****. its gotta happen next before:

1. something derails it.
2. more roadblocks get added
3. we have to first go through canelo v cotto and mayweather vs khan./garcia - we REALLY dont need to sit through these.

of course, there IS an argument to be made for letting it get bigger. but it all centres on floyd mayweather getting a bigger ppv upside.

which none of us (and this includes you dlt) get the benefit of.

ofcourse thats the case if you are a boxing fan but you dont sell 2.5mil PPV's like Oscar-Floyd with just hardcore boxing fans. Also, we dont benefit from the money but I do think when Floyd, Pac, and boxing in general put up big PPV numbers, its big for the sport. We always throw it up in the UFC's face and make threads on here about how boxing isnt dead.

There is still nothing better than a big boxing event. There was nothing like Floyd-Oscar in recent time and there wouldve been nothing like Floyd-Pac. This fight wont be like that but it would start to get close in May. Now its big and can get hyped but its just alot bigger in May to me.

You also have to factor in the Showtime stuff. Maybe with HBO you could just jump straight on in but Showtime is still working on building the fan base. It will take longer to sell things. I say give it another fight to hype it and the full 6-8 months for it to get huge.

Also, September is huge with the NFL and everything else. You have May all to yourself just about. It wouldve been one thing if Floyd had agreed to it before the Ghost fight like Canelo was trying to get him to. Then having it in September wouldnt have been a big deal because Canelo wouldve been on the undercard and everyone wouldve know about it all this time but that wasnt the case

[IronDanHamza]

by how much? when did Cotto become this legendary fighter that everyone and their mom knows...Miguel Cotto hasn't won a fight in 2 years and is 3-3 in his last 6 fights



heck, some say Bradley beat PAC and what did that get him?

back on free HBO


if Showtime can crack 1mil buys vs Guerrero and Floyd got his guarantee, i really dont see why we have to delay

Cotto's certainly a big draw.

He's obviously not Oscar but in regards to his record, Oscar had a similar record going into the fight with Mayweather and look how that elevated his career.

Not that it would overly elevate his career, just make it slightly bigger than it is now.

But like I said, I'd rather have it now.

[Batman8]

I never care about PPV but thread after thread its mentioned so it's a debating point. That's all.

Can you really tell me it won't be bigger come next May?

how much extra do you stand to make in may compared to september?

[Fetta]

how much extra do you stand to make in may compared to september?

in terms of money none but like. I already said I don't care about PPV it's a debating point. But I will say I prefer a May fight just cause. No reason just cause

[DLT]

i've never met a legit fight fan that is happy to 'marinate' a potential super fight


"but but but imagine the numbers it will do if Canelo get's an even bigger name!"


WTF

I disagree with that. I think there are legit cases when waiting is better and its way more money if you wait. However, the situation has to be right. You cant wait and have both guys fighting nobodies over & over again in the meantime or a bunch of high risk/low reward guys.

You also cant wait if its 2 guys like Floyd & Pac who have reached the pinnacle and nothing else is a benefit. To me, there is still a big benefit to Canelo in beating Cotto for resume, finically, and its a benefit to boxing itself in terms of making it a super fight.

I do think boxing fans can be a lil to itchy at times about wanting to see something right this minute. Now dont get it twisted. You can look it up. I actually made a thread a few days ago asking how bad of a blow would it be for boxing if Cotto beat Canelo.

The difference between me & you is that I think you can have thngs both ways. I think it would be bad for boxing if Canelo lost but I wouldnt feel sorry for him if he did. He should win. There is no excuse. I like Pascal but there is no excuse for him to lose to Hopkins at this stage so I couldnt feel sorry for him. Canelo has to win that fight. He has to and he should

[Batman8]

in terms of money none but like. I already said I don't care about PPV it's a debating point. But I will say I prefer a May fight just cause. No reason just cause

there is a reason. dont be humble, my friend.

you, dlt, dempseyrollin, larry x, big dunn, frank ducketts, havis j, etc all stand to take a cut from the extra revenue the canelo vs cotto mis-match will generate if the fight is made in may.

get them bills.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

I disagree with that. I think there are legit cases when waiting is better and its way more money if you wait. However, the situation has to be right. You cant wait and have both guys fighting nobodies over & over again in the meantime or a bunch of high risk/low reward guys.

You also cant wait if its 2 guys like Floyd & Pac who have reached the pinnacle and nothing else is a benefit. To me, there is still a big benefit to Canelo in beating Cotto for resume, finically, and its a benefit to boxing itself in terms of making it a super fight.

I do think boxing fans can be a lil to itchy at times about wanting to see something right this minute. Now dont get it twisted. You can look it up. I actually made a thread a few days ago asking how bad of a blow would it be for boxing if Cotto beat Canelo.

The difference between me & you is that I think you can have thngs both ways. I think it would be bad for boxing if Canelo lost but I wouldnt feel sorry for him if he did. He should win. There is no excuse. I like Pascal but there is no excuse for him to lose to Hopkins at this stage so I couldnt feel sorry for him. Canelo has to win that fight. He has to and he should

in a sport where mega stars fight once or twice (if we're lucky) a year, waiting is NEVER 'better'


let them fight now...if Canelo loses, he can use the Cottos, Laras and Angulos of the world to rebuild his name

[Fetta]

there is a reason. dont be humble, my friend.

you, dlt, dempseyrollin, larry x, big dunn, frank ducketts, havis j, etc all stand to take a cut from the extra revenue the canelo vs cotto mis-match will generate if the fight is made in may.

get them bills.

i wish it was that way but I'm wondering do you know how to debate? If I just agreed it would go like this:

You: fight in Sept it's on
Me: hell yeah fight in sept
You: hell yeah
Me: hell yeah.

Wonder what's on TV

[hugh grant]

Canelo has no leverage [No one does for that matter] when it comes to calling the shots against Floyd. However, the best logical choice for Floyd is to accept the fight at 154 lbs simply because he has already fought and won two belts there. Floyd can still make certain demands about how much Canelo can weigh on fight night or do a fight day weigh to make sure he doesn't rehydrate to 170 lbs.

At the end of the day, the fight needs to happen at 154 lbs or Floyd will take some heavy criticism [He's already being criticized and held at a higher standard as it is on a daily basis anyway] if he accept it at 150 lbs or 147 lbs. He should just accept it at the weigh of 154 lbs, but he has all the leverage to call the shots and can make sure Canelo doesn't have a huge physical advantage on fight night if he wants to.

I dont understand this Floyd has all the leverage talk, what does that actually mean? This should be all about Floyd showing how good he is, and if he wont allow Canelo to come in where he wants to come in comfortable for himself it defeats the object of fighting Canelo.
Give Canelo advantages and still beat him is what i and boxing fans say. Cos where canelo has advantages in one area he has disadvantages in other areas like Canelo is not the finished article yet.

Dont use the example of Floyd allowing DLH to call the shots as evidence of anything. It was one time he gave DLH supposedly advantages, but DLH was old and it was a split decision. Floyid always has advantages and it wont help his cause or legacy in the long run, cant always think of short term gain.