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  • #41
    Originally posted by DempseyRollin View Post
    Why are u still talking about the Marquez thing? Floyd didn't make the contracted weight. It happens. Only time it happened to Floyd. And he still didn't have 20lbs on Marquez. But he's a cheater? Then anyone who doesn't make weight is a cheater rite? So Manny is a cheater? And where do u draw the line? Floyd didn't make weight, but he wasn't vastly larger than Marquez. Canelo will be vastly larger than Floyd, but that's not cheating because he made weight right? Sure canelo probably struggles to do so, but the benefit of being so much larger than your opponent definitely shows as well. People have to just be honest with themselves, its ok to want to see Floyd lose. But if u are saying that Camelot is a threat, based on what we have seen, then why is he a threat? Size, and maybe age. Two things that have little or nothing to do with skill or ability.
    Marquez was NOT a WW not even a JWW. He was a guy who had just moved up from 130 to 135. You guys are OK with Marquez fighting a guy that fights several divisions above his for a living but are so so concerned about a Canelo who probably for the first time fought a true legit JMW. Floyd fought 2 JMW. So Floyd has the advantage! lol!

    You keep on bringing up Manny but I doubt you were defending Manny when he was not able to get up to the weight limit yet he had to fight guys that came 15-20lbs heavier than him on fight night .... right?

    Everything is taken into account on why one is favored over the other. IF they can make the 154 weight limit then there is no excuse if Floyd keeps on fighting at 154. Floyd said that he wanted to see Cotto comfortable at 154. So was that just an excuse? Cherry pick?

    Again, Are you guys saying that Floyd should be a cherry picker?

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    • #42
      It just boils down if Mayweather or even anybody has BALLS to take the risk. Duran had balls of steel by fighting at higher weight class.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
        Marquez was NOT a WW not even a JWW. He was a guy who had just moved up from 130 to 135. You guys are OK with Marquez fighting a guy that fights several divisions above his for a living but are so so concerned about a Canelo who probably for the first time fought a true legit JMW. Floyd fought 2 JMW. So Floyd has the advantage! lol!

        You keep on bringing up Manny but I doubt you were defending Manny when he was not able to get up to the weight limit yet he had to fight guys that came 15-20lbs heavier than him on fight night .... right?

        Everything is taken into account on why one is favored over the other. IF they can make the 154 weight limit then there is no excuse if Floyd keeps on fighting at 154. Floyd said that he wanted to see Cotto comfortable at 154. So was that just an excuse? Cherry pick?

        Again, Are you guys saying that Floyd should be a cherry picker?
        When did Manny fight a guy with a 20lb weight advantage? Even lottery didn't have that advantage. Neither did Margarito. And once again, I never said I had a problem with this fight. I don't. If it happens it happens. Should Floyd have to take it? No. Should he? Yes. But like I said, u wanna talk about weight like it doesn't matter, when its the only thing that gives u a chance in a fight, then it is the determining factor. So weight matters and a 20lb weight advantage shouldn't be ignored like its some little thing. Its not. Its all the difference between life and death. But that's what j get when u have keyboard warriors who have never stepped in the ring themselves. Its more like play for them. And its easy to ignore the truth.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by junior gong View Post
          Well he isnt a seasoned WW after two fights, is he?
          Well with this admission and based on this logic of yours..I guess Floyd isn't a seasoned JMW after only 2 fights there...is he?

          Oh wait...this only works when opposing Floyd..nevermind..anyone else but Floyd is NOT seasoned after 2 fights, are they?
          Smh...

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          • #45
            Martinez fought and beat a cruiser at MW so Floyd should be able to fight and beat a LHW at LMW. Both fights are a pretty even comparison.....

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            • #46
              Whats wrong with a Manny weight of 150 , good for Manny but not for Floyd , Floyd can beat Canelo its just a double standard the way he is supposed to take all the risks yet Manny took none with his special Manny weights .

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              • #47
                Originally posted by bose View Post
                Two fights at welterweights and now he's a legit welterweight...no.

                He's just a fighter that is accepting the challenges fighting a bigger guy in Floyd the natural jr. middleweight.
                Again...so Ghost isn't a legit ww after 2 fights there, but of course Floyd is a legit JMW after 2 fights there,..wow...strange how that works in dummyland..huh

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by joesaiditstrue View Post
                  Canelo weighed 172lbs, Floyd weighs 150 the day of the fight against Cotto, 151 vs DLH. Sergio is around 174 for his fights. Floyd isn't a JMW, I think brute forcing Floyd out of the ring by putting him up against a super middleweight/light heavyweight doesn't really prove anything if he were to lose to either guy. His skill alone would most likely handle Canelo but I would not bet money on Floyd winning either fight, and that doesn't take anything away from Floyd as a fighter


                  This has really got to stop, people need to stop claiming Sergio rehydrates above 170; that has never happened. Sergio regularly rehydrates between 165-167.

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                  • #49
                    I saw Canelo fight Trout last night and Lopez before that and was not very impressed.I think Trout is overrated and Canelo couldn't put Trout away. And for most of the fight I think Lopez held his own.I think Mayweather would exploit Canelo's defensive holes like dropping his hands all the time.Trout did land a lot of punches on Canelo. Trout just lacks the true power needed to K.O. somebody with a decent chin. Canelo is a lot of HYPE.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by BafanaBafana View Post


                      This has really got to stop, people need to stop claiming Sergio rehydrates above 170; that has never happened. Sergio regularly rehydrates between 165-167.

                      Well why dont Canelo go fight Sergio , same size on fight night its an even fight with nobody weight drained , oh thats not fair lol but in here Floyd giving Canelo 15-20 lbs is fair , unreal !

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