Canelo, Martinez vs Mayweather: When weight matters

[kiaba360]

It's become uncommon nowadays for fighters to only rehydrate a couple pounds. Look at the Rios/Alvarado fight, where both guys rehydrated 18lbs+. On the under-card, Figueroa rehydrated in the double digits as well. Chavez Jr. is obviously a prime example of high rehydration. Like Russian said, all they gotta do is make the weight. However, what good does the high rehydration serve if your endurance/stamina/punch resistance decreases in the process?

[ADP02]

Marquez was asked to fight at 147? I'm pretty sure he challenged Floyd at 147. Don't make **** up. And even with that said, Floyd did not outweigh him by 20lbs. That simply didn't happen

Marquez wasn't asked to fight at 147, he called out Floyd for a pay day. get the facts straight for starters (you're painting this as Floyd picking on smaller fighters)

The "couple pounds" was referring to the weight difference that Floyd had over Marquez at the weigh in

You're basically saying its OK for a guy to ballon back up to his walking around weight of 170+ against a gut who can't even make the 154 limit, but it isn't OK to fight a guy who called you out for a fight at 147? yeah, head scratcher

Oh thanks for reminding me about Floyd fans other excuse ..... Marquez asked to fight at 147 ...... so all bets are off.

First of all it was supposed to be at 144. Floyd didn't come in so he cheated! BUT more importantly, why didn't Floyd just go down a few pounds if you all say its so easy for those other guys to come down 15-20lbs and balloon back up?

The rules have it that it's OK to balloon up ..... but there is also a problem for the one ballooning up in that it can sap out their energy if done wrong. That may be the reason why Canelo looked so gassed out last night. So you can actually lose your advantage.

Floyd is a gym rat so he does not balloon up. Floyd fans keep on saying that is smart of Floyd because while his opponents are always thinking about having to lose or come in on weight, Floyd concentrates on training. I tend to agree BUT now "oh poor Floyd, he shouldn't fight guys at 154 because he is too small"

If Floyd can't fight at 154 then he shouldn't BUT if he can and he does then all fighters that can make 154 are game. Are you guys saying that Floyd should be a cherry picker?

[junior gong]

you're going off on a tangent here, weights matter. 20lb difference is enough to swing a fight, that's my point. I do not support weigh ins the day before the fight as not every fighter is artificially fighting outside their natural weight class

hatton is a fatass outside the ring, terrible comparison

And its a poorly made one as that could just as easily be a hindrance than a help. You dont gain twenty pounds of strength over night. This is just some flowmo crap, this thread. Terrible stuff.

[Kagami Taiga]

It's become uncommon nowadays for fighters to only rehydrate a couple pounds. Look at the Rios/Alvarado fight, where both guys rehydrated 18lbs+. On the under-card, Figueroa rehydrated in the double digits as well. Chavez Jr. is obviously a prime example of high rehydration. Like Russian said, all they gotta do is make the weight. However, what good does the high rehydration serve if your endurance/stamina/punch resistance decreases in the process?

That's true, but when does it become dangerous? What's the point of a weight class when u go into a ring outweighing the other guy by 20lbs? That eliminates the whole principle behind it. I could see if both fighters rehydrate heavy, or if its 5 or 10 lbs. But 20? Look at the effect it had on Sergio in the Chávez Jr fight. Destroying the guy all night only to almost have it slip away. And that ant even a 20lb difference. I honestly hope Floyd does take this fight tho, but I don't get how anyone could give a fighter praise for fighting a guy they outweigh by 20lbs

[joesaiditstrue]

And its a poorly made one as that could just as easily be a hindrance than a help. You dont gain twenty pounds of strength over night. This is just some flowmo crap, this thread. Terrible stuff.

flowmo, lol. I'm not even a "Floyd fan", and I'm rooting for Guerrero on May 4th (rooting, not picking)

floyd really does have haters of all shapes and sizes, most of them are on the internet hiding behind keyboards

[Kagami Taiga]

K

Oh thanks for reminding me about Floyd fans other excuse ..... Marquez asked to fight at 147 ...... so all bets are off.

First of all it was supposed to be at 144. Floyd didn't come in so he cheated! BUT more importantly, why didn't Floyd just go down a few pounds if you all say its so easy for those other guys to come down 15-20lbs and balloon back up?

The rules have it that it's OK to balloon up ..... but there is also a problem for the one ballooning up in that it can sap out their energy if done wrong. That may be the reason why Canelo looked so gassed out last night. So you can actually lose your advantage.

Floyd is a gym rat so he does not balloon up. Floyd fans keep on saying that is smart of Floyd because while his opponents are always thinking about having to lose or come in on weight, Floyd concentrates on training. I tend to agree BUT now "oh poor Floyd, he shouldn't fight guys at 154 because he is too small"

If Floyd can't fight at 154 then he shouldn't BUT if he can and he does then all fighters that can make 154 are game. Are you guys saying that Floyd should be a cherry picker?

Lol, so not making weight is cheating? So Manny pacquiao is a cheater then? And I personally think this is a fight Floyd should take, but I'm just saying ppl should be honest. Outside of his size, this kid is simply not a threat. And if the only way ppl see Floyd losing is by fighting bigger fighters, then that's what it is. Don't sit here and act like he's gonna be going into a fair contest against a guy his size.

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The reason floyd weighs less than Canelo is really because Floyd is more fit individual. Canelo as ripped as he got this last time could be a few pounds lighter.

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K

Lol, so not making weight is cheating? So Manny pacquiao is a cheater then? And I personally think this is a fight Floyd should take, but I'm just saying ppl should be honest. Outside of his size, this kid is simply not a threat. And if the only way ppl see Floyd losing is by fighting bigger fighters, then that's what it is. Don't sit here and act like he's gonna be going into a fair contest against a guy his size.

Floyd paid Marquez so he didn't have to come down. So what if Canelo pays Floyd and doesn't struggle to make 154 and just goes down to 157. You OK with that?

Look, I think Canelo still needs to gain more experience and get control of his stamina issues or else I believe Floyd wins. So I agree, Canelo is not the threat that some are making him out to be BUT according to Canelo's statement, Floyd was OK with fighting a green Canelo of a year or two ago. So it looks like your Floyd does NOT like to fight a fair contest but I'm sure you would be sh$tting on that, right? If you say yes, then why you don't say the same about some of Floyd's other fights that we just discussed?

Canelo clearly has more to work on but he is moving in the right direction.

[kiaba360]

That's true, but when does it become dangerous? What's the point of a weight class when u go into a ring outweighing the other guy by 20lbs? That eliminates the whole principle behind it. I could see if both fighters rehydrate heavy, or if its 5 or 10 lbs. But 20? Look at the effect it had on Sergio in the Chávez Jr fight. Destroying the guy all night only to almost have it slip away. And that ant even a 20lb difference. I honestly hope Floyd does take this fight tho, but I don't get how anyone could give a fighter praise for fighting a guy they outweigh by 20lbs

High rehydration/weight disparity has become a important component that factors into a fighter's strategy. Martinez went straight away to Chavez's body with the straight left, and he probably wouldn't have lasted the final round had he not taken the air out of Chavez's tires in the rounds before. I think Floyd would employ a similar strategy if he does fight Canelo. I don't subscribe to the "Floyd lost his legs" statement, he's just found a way to beat his opponents without having to resort to using them. Body-work and movement will be the way to neutralize Canelo's size advantage and frustrate him in the process. Though it's unfair, Floyd is still capable of winning even with the weight disparity. If he thinks it's too much, then he can just drop the WBA title.

[Kagami Taiga]

Floyd paid Marquez so he didn't have to come down. So what if Canelo pays Floyd and doesn't struggle to make 154 and just goes down to 157. You OK with that?

Look, I think Canelo still needs to gain more experience and get control of his stamina issues or else I believe Floyd wins. So I agree, Canelo is not the threat that some are making him out to be BUT according to Canelo's statement, Floyd was OK with fighting a green Canelo of a year or two ago. So it looks like your Floyd does NOT like to fight a fair contest but I'm sure you would be sh$tting on that, right? If you say yes, then why you don't say the same about some of Floyd's other fights that we just discussed?

Canelo clearly has more to work on but he is moving in the right direction.

Why are u still talking about the Marquez thing? Floyd didn't make the contracted weight. It happens. Only time it happened to Floyd. And he still didn't have 20lbs on Marquez. But he's a cheater? Then anyone who doesn't make weight is a cheater rite? So Manny is a cheater? And where do u draw the line? Floyd didn't make weight, but he wasn't vastly larger than Marquez. Canelo will be vastly larger than Floyd, but that's not cheating because he made weight right? Sure canelo probably struggles to do so, but the benefit of being so much larger than your opponent definitely shows as well. People have to just be honest with themselves, its ok to want to see Floyd lose. But if u are saying that Camelot is a threat, based on what we have seen, then why is he a threat? Size, and maybe age. Two things that have little or nothing to do with skill or ability.