Comments Thread For: Scully on Dawson: “He sort of turned a corner in his life”

[New England]

I'm a fan of Andre Ward and not a fan of Chad Dawson but I don't think we need John Scully to confirm to us that Chad was dead at the weight.

You can clearly see with your own two eyes that Dawson is literally dead at the weight.

there's also enough of a gap in the level of the fighter's mental and physical capacities that i've seen before, and saw during the fight, that lends me to believe that these two could fight at HW with the same result. the hooks might not rock chad's world, but they'd still keep him honest, no matter the weight.


chad's a more talented athlete. ward's a great boxer.

[IronDanHamza]

there's also enough of a gap in the level of the fighter's mental and physical capacities that i've seen before, and saw during the fight, that lends me to believe that these two could fight at HW with the same result. the hooks might not rock chad's world, but they'd still keep him honest, no matter the weight.


chad's a more talented athlete. ward's a great boxer.

I agree that's why I would like to see a rematch at 175.

Because whether this is the case or not, you can't expect credibility doing it to the guy when he's so clearly and severely drained.

[DLT]

See, right before the fight happened I said that while Chad throws great combinations, he has to be completely SET and have his feet planted to let them go, whereas Ward can move and dip in and out of range with punches and keep you off balance. Chad looked the same against Pascal, when someone gives Chad a lot of movement and uses speed and moves in and out of range with punches he shuts down. Ward KNEW this IMO. And when Chad would get close Ward would dip low and get under Chad's punches and smother him. I said before and I'll say it again, Chad totally underestimated Ward's speed and outside boxing game. He even admitted Ward was a lot faster and stronger then he thought.

As for the whole weight thing, I've always had my doubts. Chad looked strong, hydrated and confident at the weigh in. He wasn't gaunt, pale and drained like Rios looked for the Murray fight (A fight Rios went on to win, and win by KO). I'm not saying anyone's lying but I just find it crazy how Chad told ANYONE who would listen that he was in shape, everything was fine, he was on weight before the weigh in etc. and as soon as he gets totally outclassed and dominated by someone he admittedly underestimated, the weight was a problem. Nothing against you John, you're a great trainer and how Chad did you was not right, none of what I'm saying is directed at you.


My point is this, if this whole weight issue was the case, Chad and/or his management should have never gave in so easily at the negotiation tables, and he DEFINATELY should have never called Ward out to fight at 168. That's my point. All in all, if a rematch happens at 175, I bet my bottom dollar Chad doesn'y make it past the 8th. Ward has proves he is the better, more advanced boxer, and IMO has Chad's number. With all that being said, at 175 I'd favor Chad over everyone else BUT Ward.

are you ty-man?

[Tmann400]

I agree that's why I would like to see a rematch at 175.

Because whether this is the case or not, you can't expect credibility doing it to the guy when he's so clearly and severely drained.

See that's where I disagree. Dawson did not look the least bit drained to me at the weigh in. Look at Rios at the weigh in for his fight with Murray. THAT'S severely drained. Dawson hit the weight right on the money. Looked hydrated and healthy. He looked diminished in the fight once Ward started imposing himself and his skill-set on Chad. Once Ward cracked Dawson with the first clean shot he landed and Ward was really good defensively and was making it very hard for Dawson to hit him, Dawson's eyes changed and he became tentative and discouraged. He looked like somebody who expected someone much easier to fight, and was shell shocked by how good they were, just like every other Ward opponent over his last few fights. Green, Froch, Abraham, Kessler etc. they all had the same bewildered and diminished appearance that Chad did. I don't think it's a coincidence. Just my opinion though.

[Tmann400]

are you ty-man?

Hey D, yes I am THE Tymann LOL. Why do you ask?

[BattleAxePurist]

there's also enough of a gap in the level of the fighter's mental and physical capacities that i've seen before, and saw during the fight, that lends me to believe that these two could fight at HW with the same result. the hooks might not rock chad's world, but they'd still keep him honest, no matter the weight.


chad's a more talented athlete. ward's a great boxer.

IMO Wards athletic ability is underrated, he's clearly the quicker/faster fighter and as it was said already he can fight on the move.

[Tmann400]

IMO Wards athletic ability is underrated, he's clearly the quicker/faster fighter and as it was said already he can fight on the move.

I agree. You know I've noticed especially since Ward beat Frochy, the UK fans and journalists seem to have a better understanding and higher appreciation level for Ward's talent level and skill level. It's really intriguing. Like over here before the Dawson fight it was considered a 50-50 fight, whereas in most of the UK they viewed more like a 60-40/70-30 fight in favor of Ward. For example Jamie Moore even stated he felt Ward was better in every department and that he was faster. It's really interesting.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

What was being done wrong? Where did things get messed up?

Its just to say that the way he was made to lose the weight was wrong...too much running, too many supplements apparently...he was being built up and was apparently retaining water the whole way through...going through the first five weeks of a training camp where the average temp outside was 108 degrees each day and you GAIN two pounds in INSANITY AND ******ITY...that was what was wrong and it led to everything else being wrong...I was assured from the very start that making weight was going to be easy, that it was no problem...5 weeks in and then again the night before the weigh in it was made glaringly obvious that this was not the case. We like to say we win and lose as a team afterwards and thats all well and good usually but in this instance when that phrase was used by the person who I was arguing with this about halfway through camp, well, I decided to not hold my tongue anymore when it comes to the situation. A "Team" we were not...

[snoopymiller]

Snoopy? With all due respect, I assure you him being 184 at that date was a HUGE problem. Im not sure if you have ever fought and trained for a fight and had to deal with weight issues like that but rest assured, if you go to camp on July 7 and weigh 182 and five weeks later you have GAINED TWO pounds for a fight that would need to be 168 for then , YES, that is a major, major problem. And when you get to the night before the weigh in (after NINE WEEKS of training, sparring , running and dieting in PLUS 100 degree weather) and you are STILL SEVEN POUNDS over the weight u need to be the following day then, YES, that is a problem of astronomical proportions. Yes it definitely is.

You can't seem to admit that Chad under no circumstances should never have fought at 168 pounds even if YOU could attempt to have him cut weight "your way". There was and is no way Chad could ever make 168 without hurting himself and anybody that says otherwise is just plain ignorant.

Maybe he was 7 pounds overweight the day before the weigh-in because he's, ACTUALLY A LIGHT ****ING HEAVYWEIGHT!?!?!?!

Not exactly rocket science here

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

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Originally Posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY

Snoopy? With all due respect, I assure you him being 184 at that date was a HUGE problem. Im not sure if you have ever fought and trained for a fight and had to deal with weight issues like that but rest assured, if you go to camp on July 7 and weigh 182 and five weeks later you have GAINED TWO pounds for a fight that would need to be 168 for then , YES, that is a major, major problem. And when you get to the night before the weigh in (after NINE WEEKS of training, sparring , running and dieting in PLUS 100 degree weather) and you are STILL SEVEN POUNDS over the weight u need to be the following day then, YES, that is a problem of astronomical proportions. Yes it definitely is.

You can't seem to admit that Chad under no circumstances should never have fought at 168 pounds even if YOU could attempt to have him cut weight "your way". There was and is no way Chad could ever make 168 without hurting himself and anybody that says otherwise is just plain ignorant.

Maybe he was 7 pounds overweight the day before the weigh-in because he's, ACTUALLY A LIGHT ****ING HEAVYWEIGHT!?!?!?!

Not exactly rocket science here

I think you're actually agreeing with Iceman. He was never ok with this fight at 168.


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