Comments Thread For: Scully on Dawson: “He sort of turned a corner in his life”

[boxingfeind]

OK, NO....I am not trying to save face...not at all. Understand, u know when I found out this fight was being made? The same exact moment YOU ALL did...after the Hopkins fight in the ring when Chad said it to Max...I was standing next to him and I said to the guy next to me, "WHAT did he just say?!?!?"

I wouldnt have said anything, it is what it is and we lost, fine...BUT I have members of his team saying right after the fight that "the weight played no factor"...THEY were trying to save face, not me...now, when u say it wasnt the weight then what was it? I'd -as the trainer- be next in line for blame, no? They wanted to say the weight had no bearing at all but I knew better. I have a life and job outside of Chad Dawson...he is CHAD DAWSON, he's always going to make money and get opportunities as champion. But my livelihood is affected here so as my own man I needed to make it right. If someone involved says the weight was not a factor then I certainly am justified in standing up at that point and making light of what I know, correct? Wouldnt you do that in defense of yourself? From day one, despite my better judgement, I was told that making 168 would be no problem whatsoever. I parroted that based on what the man in charge told me...and because thats what we do in the boxing game? Or did anyone really expect me or any other trainer on earth to tell the media and the world wide web what we REALLY thought? NEVER go by what anyone tells you before a fight because before a fight everyone "is in the best shape of their life, this was the greatest camp in history and I'm honored to be here." Chad Dawson had a TERRIBLE time making 168 pounds and I had absolutely zero to do with that. That's my word. If I did I would own up to it becaue there is no shape in losing to a great fighter in Andre Ward and we all can micalculate how the human body will respond when it is faced with trauma. I made it known within the camp on AUGUST 14th that I felt things were being done wrong...and I was dismissed and rebuffed. In hindsight, although the rebuffer will never admit it, I knew more than he did. Period. I was asked about it by this interviewer and I answered the questions...I have every right to defend myself here. Agreed or no?

I wasn`t saying you were lying about Chad being weight drained.I`m the one that have to verbally fight with people to convince them that that wasn`t the real Chad in their with Ward.I`ve always maintained that Chad was weight drained.I even criticized you for not trying to talk him out of going to 168.


My biggest criticism has always been with Andre Ward.I felt Andre Ward should not have took on a fighter that he suspected might be weight drained on fight night.And i felt he should have at least chose a catchweight. I thought it was a ***** move on his part to request Dawson to come all the way down to 168. Especially considering the fact that in a interview before Dawson called him out,Ward said he was considering fighting for a light heavyweight title at a catch weight.


And i also think its ****** that some people are saying he`s number 1 p4p when he beat a weight drained Zombie.I was also critical of Dawson for coming down to 168.

What i was saying was you should have told Chad to make the fight at 175 before they even negotiated for the fight.Criticizing Chad for taking the fight at 175 after the fight sound like you was trying to save face.You are his trainer and a trainer`s job is to guide a fighter and correct his mistakes.Cause if your fighter makes a mistake then it has a bad reflection on you.



Virgil Hunter is seen as one of the top trainers as a result of Ward`s win over Dawson.And he`s getting steam rolled with request by fighters to train them even though Ward`s win over Dawson was just a virtual illusion.
If Dawson didn`t make that dum mistake that would have been you in that position cause you had the better fighter and you helped him beat a future all time great hall of famer Hopkins.

[ShoulderRoll]

And i also think its ****** that some people are saying he`s number 1 p4p when he beat a weight drained Zombie.....

Virgil Hunter is seen as one of the top trainers as a result of Ward`s win over Dawson.And he`s getting steam rolled with request by fighters to train them even though Ward`s win over Dawson was just a virtual illusion.

So you're just going to completely ignore how Ward dominated and won the Super 6? That is the primary reason why some people rank him #1 p4p and why Virgil is so highly sought after.

This is what I hate about all the whole weight drained Dawson stuff. People are using it to completely discredit Andre. The fact is that Chad shouldn't have opened his mouth about fighting at 168 if he couldn't do it. And his handlers should have pulled him out of the fight if they saw there was a problem during training camp.

[Dr Rumack]

Its just to say that the way he was made to lose the weight was wrong...too much running, too many supplements apparently...he was being built up and was apparently retaining water the whole way through...going through the first five weeks of a training camp where the average temp outside was 108 degrees each day and you GAIN two pounds in INSANITY AND ******ITY...that was what was wrong and it led to everything else being wrong...I was assured from the very start that making weight was going to be easy, that it was no problem...5 weeks in and then again the night before the weigh in it was made glaringly obvious that this was not the case. We like to say we win and lose as a team afterwards and thats all well and good usually but in this instance when that phrase was used by the person who I was arguing with this about halfway through camp, well, I decided to not hold my tongue anymore when it comes to the situation. A "Team" we were not...

Thanks for answering. Just seems crazy to me that this can happen with a professional athlete of Dawson's caliber and status, not to mention resources. You would think that his diet and calorie intake/expenditure would be so closely monitored that things couldn't go wrong to that extent...unless of course the goal (making 168 comfortably) was never achievable in the first place.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Thanks for answering. Just seems crazy to me that this can happen with a professional athlete of Dawson's caliber and status, not to mention resources. You would think that his diet and calorie intake/expenditure would be so closely monitored that things couldn't go wrong to that extent...unless of course the goal (making 168 comfortably) was never achievable in the first place.

When you have a guy that hasn't fought at 168 in what 6 years? I don't think it matters who you are, you can't do down to that weight again and be 100%. Dawson is a lean guy but he's pretty big.

[Queen_Leia]

You got to be kidding me

My biggest criticism has always been with Andre Ward.I felt Andre Ward should not have took on a fighter that he suspected might be weight drained on fight night.And i felt he should have at least chose a catchweight. I thought it was a ***** move on his part to request Dawson to come all the way down to 168. Especially considering the fact that in a interview before Dawson called him out,Ward said he was considering fighting for a light heavyweight title at a catch weight.

Nonsense...it's not SOG job to look out for Bad career, it's Bad job. Bad called SOG out and automatically handicapped himself by agreeing to go down.

Now it's not the trainers fault that Bad made such an idiotic decision, but the trainer is responsible for making sure the fighter wins the fight. There are plenty of weight-drain fighters who go into fight and despite that handicapped..WIN!!!

The fact of the matter is that SOG and his trainer are elite caliber and thinkers in the ring and Bad and his trainer at the time are not. I mean Bad and his trainer are who they are...they can beat 48 year old men who they have athletic advantages over but the minute they face a p4p elite thinker with versatility in his prime and his trainer who has a vast boxing mind who is being sought after by other fighter to train them..they fall short...Which B level fighter is looking for Bad former trainer to train them?

Bad will be fine because he made the right decision and found a new trainer (a trainer he should have never left in the first place) so he will be back on HBO in June...however we will never see his old trainer on HBO ever again because he currently doesn't train HBO caliber fighters (or Showtime caliber for that matter).

Think ESPN level guys.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

NONE of this should reflect poorly on Andre Ward, he did what he was supposed to. Chad called him out at 168 and he accepted. NOTHING wrong with that. Taking any and all possible advantages is completely acceptable. He did everything right...in the ring and out.

[boxingfeind]

So you're just going to completely ignore how Ward dominated and won the Super 6? That is the primary reason why some people rank him #1 p4p and why Virgil is so highly sought after.

This is what I hate about all the whole weight drained Dawson stuff. People are using it to completely discredit Andre. The fact is that Chad shouldn't have opened his mouth about fighting at 168 if he couldn't do it. And his handlers should have pulled him out of the fight if they saw there was a problem during training camp.

No! People are completely ignoring all the things other fighters have done. There are numerous fighters out their with far better resumes then Ward like: Marquez,Hopkins,Mayweather and Donaire.Ward beat a couple of top fighters in his weight class and and a weight drain fighter and people are ready to crown him number 1.But yet there are fighters out their who has beaten far more quality opponents then Ward.

[boxingfeind]

Nonsense...it's not SOG job to look out for Bad career, it's Bad job. Bad called SOG out and automatically handicapped himself by agreeing to go down.

Now it's not the trainers fault that Bad made such an idiotic decision, but the trainer is responsible for making sure the fighter wins the fight. There are plenty of weight-drain fighters who go into fight and despite that handicapped..WIN!!!

The fact of the matter is that SOG and his trainer are elite caliber and thinkers in the ring and Bad and his trainer at the time are not. I mean Bad and his trainer are who they are...they can beat 48 year old men who they have athletic advantages over but the minute they face a p4p elite thinker with versatility in his prime and his trainer who has a vast boxing mind who is being sought after by other fighter to train them..they fall short...Which B level fighter is looking for Bad former trainer to train them?

Bad will be fine because he made the right decision and found a new trainer (a trainer he should have never left in the first place) so he will be back on HBO in June...however we will never see his old trainer on HBO ever again because he currently doesn't train HBO caliber fighters (or Showtime caliber for that matter).

Think ESPN level guys.

Never said it was the trainers fault,i said his trainer should have at-least tried to talk him out of it.Its his job to give his fighter good advice.If chad wouldn`t have listened then Scully could have went public and said i encouraged him not to go down to 168 but he didn`t listen.That way when Chad falls flat on his face its not reflected badly on his trainer.

It wasn`t Ward fault for Chad being weight drained but it was Ward fault for taking the fight.Contrary to popular belief Chad gave Ward 3 options:He could go down to 168,they could meet eachother at 175 or a catchweight.Ward chose 168 and which means he chose to beat Dawson in a cheap fashion.And that also means he don`t deserve full credit for that win.



In Hopkins Chad beat a future all time great whose in his prime despite being 47 and Chad beat him without him having no handicaps.That`s far better then all of Wards wins combined and i deserve to get beat down and put into coma for that understatement.


And lets talk about reality:Ward beat a weight drained zombie,So Dawson lost fighting with a handicap.Ward fights hype jobs from Europe but afraid to fight a athletically gifted fighter with skills unless he`s handicapped.He wouldn`t even fight Andre Dirrel brother cause he got good boxing skills,but yet he was gonna fight Kelly Pavlik.

[snoopymiller]

When you have a guy that hasn't fought at 168 in what 6 years? I don't think it matters who you are, you can't do down to that weight again and be 100%. Dawson is a lean guy but he's pretty big.

That's exactly it. Nobody and I mean NOBODY could have gotten Chad down to 168 healthily.

He doesn't belong there and anybody who states that THEY could get it done "properly" is speaking out of pure ego.

That's like getting Oscar down to 147 against Pacquiao. Nobody could have done it "properly" and it was plain to see just like Dawson at 168.

And yes, John Scully 183 pounds 3 weeks out from making 175 is perfectly acceptable because that's SUPPOSED to be his weight class. If he has to make 168 guess what? He will STILL be 183 pounds 3 weeks out because that is where his body SHOULD be. You act like being 173 pounds 3 weeks out would have helped which is ABSURD.

Simply absurd

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

So you're saying that even though he had to be at 168 it was wise to just stay way up at 184 until shortly before the fight and then lose it all at the last minute? Cool, makes sense to me. Getting to a lower weight beforehand would be absurd? OK, Got it.