Top 10 Heavyweights of all times.

[LacedUp]

Don't have time to write down my full top 10 but what i will say is i would definitely have Tyson in my top 10.

I know the usual standard on this forum is to go against the grain and be all cool and bring up Tyson's resume but if you want to do that then we could do that against a good few of these old timers who half the people place in their lists on name alone.

Tyson in his prime (cliche i know) was something special. He may not have the names but what we saw with our own two eyes is enough for me. He was a phenomenon, and at his very best H2H would beat many of the names on peoples list.

Just my opinion though. I know many people choose to go on resume alone and that's fair enough but for me resume isn't the be all and end all of a fighter. It plays a big part but when you're talking about Mike fcking Tyson, i think we can safely say just how great he was even if he doesn't have so and so's name written on his resume.

You're absolutely right. And that Tyson takes Lennox, Holyfield, Wlad any other modern day great. Hell, he would probably give Ali (66-67) a good fight though I think Ali would have won. The sad case is that Tyson in his prime was Tyson 86-89. And though he won a belt again, we all agree he was never the same. For that reason alone, I couldn't justify putting him in my top 10. Based on excitement and entertainment value, skills, power, speed and ferocity - he's probably #1. I loved Mike Tyson

[Barn]

Also. If most of the things I am saying about Johnson could be said for Wlad then that doesn't help your case considering you have Johnson #3 and Wlad nowhere to be seen.

[JAB5239]

This was so unpredictable.

Ok.. lets not troll the thread - it's not about Wlad.

Fair enough. Ill back when I get home to break down comp and show you exactly what I was talking about though.

And Wlad is still an ATG. I say that in all seriousness.

[LacedUp]

Also. If most of the things I am saying about Johnson could be said for Wlad then that doesn't help your case considering you have Johnson #3 and Wlad nowhere to be seen.

I would never put an active fighter in my top 10. Say he loses his next fight to Pianeta, how great is he then?

[Barn]

I would never put an active fighter in my top 10. Say he loses his next fight to Pianeta, how great is he then?

Okay, fair enough. However you did still say my claim is "bold" when it's closer to sensible.

That doesn't just eradicate what he's accomplished so far.

I don't hold it against Johnson for getting pasted by farmboy Williard who had done a whole lot of sweet **** all before he fought Johnson (except losing to the his best opponent Gunboat Smith who he outweighed by 50lbs ) and done even less afterwards.

[Simurgh]

Fair enough. Ill back when I get home to break down comp and show you exactly what I was talking about though.

And Wlad is still an ATG. I say that in all seriousness.

I'll probably miss the post as I normally check only the first page of threads. Nevertheless make your point.

I think I know what you might do (analyze the careers of fighters after Wlad beat them). Ok, that's fair enough. Just please do the same for Lennox so we have some reference - of course if you are about to do that.

[gmc_rfc_06]

I personally consider Lennox to be the best HW ever.

Resume wise and all other things would cause things to be difficult, btt I believe a prime and fully focused Lewis beat any other HW.

[JAB5239]

I don't like this argument.

Jack Johnson couldn't beat Hank Griffin or Marvin Hart, people don't play those cards in H2H match ups.

Both myself and Simurgh were being facetious.

[LacedUp]

Okay, fair enough. However you did still say my claim is "bold" when it's closer to sensible.

That doesn't just eradicate what he's accomplished so far.

I don't hold it against Johnson for getting pasted by farmboy Williard who had done a whole lot of sweet **** all before he fought Johnson (except losing to the his bets opponent Gunboat Smith who he outweighed by 50lbs ) and done even less afterwards.

As in it was a bold statement to make since a lot of people and mags have Johnson ranked quite highly in the top 10.

I usually take significance into consideration. Like Clay - Liston. Because the magnitude of the victory and overcoming the odds elevate the fighter in my opinion. The reason why I don't hold Wlad in particularly high regard (yet, this may very well change when he retires), is because he hasn't done anything out of the ordinary. Beating someone he wasn't supposed to beat, or being in a fight of the year/decade/century. I feel sorry for him in a way, because he needs a true rival that matches him size for size and talent for talent. Like Lennox Lewis. Would he stand up to be counted against Lennox? Lennox takes it for me.

[LacedUp]

I personally consider Lennox to be the best HW ever.

Resume wise and all other things would cause things to be difficult, btt I believe a prime and fully focused Lewis beat any other HW.

Lennox of 96-99 vs Ali of 66-67?