Top 10 Heavyweights of all times.

[ShamrockXpress]

My personal top 10
1-Louis
2-Ali
3-Holmes
4-Frazier
5-foreman
6-Lewis
7-Marciano
8-Holyfield
9-Tyson
10-wlad

Top 5 with the right guideance/dedication
1-Louis
2-Ali
3-Liston
4-bowe
5-Tyson

Top 5 personal favirote to watch
1-Tyson
2-bowe
3-Holyfield
4-mercer
5-Morrison

[JAB5239]

I'm guessing Rahman. As if Rahman anno 2008 is anything remotely close to the Rahman of 2001.

Ahh, I forgot he fought fat, old, shot and undeserving Rahman.

[Bigg Rigg]

I swear I would have loved to see Ali vs Wlad and Foreman vs Vitali.

[Barn]

Wlad over Johnson? That's a bold thing to say. Please elaborate..

Johnson never done anything special in my opinion.

He has the names but they are all flawed. In before someone argues "you can do that with anybody's resume". Maybe, but not to the extent you can with Johnson's.

He has good wins against the decent contenders of the time but there's little more that I can see apart from that.

People bring up names like McVea and Jeanette but at this point, although they did mature to become very good fighters they were very, very green and the wins quite frankly don't count for much.

People then mention Langford. Although Langford is a Top 5 P4P ATG, this win is useless because Johnson outweighed Sam by 30 odd pounds and then ran like a little girl for years from a more mature Langford.

He wins the HW title outweighing Burns by a good 25 pounds and defended this title against less than spectacular opposition, not fighting the more mature versions of Jeanette and McVey also, who definitely deserved a shot over the people Johnson fought at the time.

Decent pre-title run against some good contenders. Long-winded period of holding the title and avoiding anyone who presented a decent challenge. The story of Jack Johnson, in my opinion.

[DreamFighter]

Johnson never done anything special in my opinion.

He has the names but they are all flawed. In before someone argues "you can do that with anybody's resume". Maybe, but not to the extent you can with Johnson's.

He has good wins against the decent contenders of the time but there's little more that I can see apart from that.

People bring up names like McVea and Jeanette but at this point, although they did mature to become very good fighters they were very, very green and the wins quite frankly don't count for much.

People then mention Langford. Although Langford is a Top 5 P4P ATG, this win is useless because Johnson outweighed Sam by 30 odd pounds and then ran like a little girl for years from a more mature Langford.

He wins the HW title outweighing Burns by a good 25 pounds and defended this title against less than spectacular opposition, not fighting the more mature versions of Jeanette and McVey also, who definitely deserved a shot over the people Johnson fought at the time.

Decent pre-title run against some good contenders. Long-winded period of holding the title and avoiding anyone who presented a decent challenge. The story of Jack Johnson, in my opinion.

Johnson is contentious as top five, which is why I had to lower him.

But you also need to factor in that, had there been no colour line, Johnson would have taken the title in his twenties, not thirties, and have dominated for twice as long as he did. If he had been white, he'd have had the longest reign in history until Louis came along. This reign would also be marred by the colour line that Johnson prevailed with, mind you. Its a great shame he did that, his reign suffers in that its a partial world title like Sullivans and Corbetts.

But he was fighting the whole of white America when he fought, and not for white America, and he was extremely dominant in doing so, which must figure for something.

[Simurgh]

Why don't you break down who beat who and when? The list won't be impressive at all at that point. And who did Wlad beat that beat Lewis?

And I meant that is why Wlads resume is so poor. That was my mistake though.

Rahman.

You have your opinion and your list and have mine - it's not like you are going to change your opinion.

[The Tase]

taking out resumes and just ranking them strictly on their analytical talent in their prime potential in a one off fight:

1. Ali
2. Lennox
3. Holmes
4. Foreman
5. Holyfield
6. Tyson
7. Louis
8. Frazier
9. Vitali
10. Bowe

Anybody who has any fighter in the top 10 who they did not see fight or have any film footage on PLEASE KINDLY GTFO with that bull****.

[Simurgh]

Ahh, I forgot he fought fat, old, shot and undeserving Rahman.

haha, great!

Not that Wlad would ever beat prime, great, GOAT Rahman that KOed Lennox

[JAB5239]

Rahman.

You have your opinion and your list and have mine - it's not like you are going to change your opinion.

And its not like you're able to defend yours.

[DreamFighter]

Chris Byrd wasn't shot to 5h1t when wlad beat him

he was however from at least three divisions below him at natural prime weight.