Top 10 Heavyweights of all times.

[Simurgh]

Lennox best win is not Vitali. He was known as a quitter at the time, and just a farewell fight. He came in for a real surprise. His best wins are Holyfield, Tyson, Bruno & Ruddock. After that he beat good names in Golota, Vitali, Botha, Tua, Briggs, Rahman, Morrison, Mercer.

There were a few unbeaten fighters in there, but I don't always go with the notion that taking someone's 0 means all that much. For example, Wlad will take Pianetas 0. It doesn't make it a better fight. Bruno, Briggs, Mercer, Golota, Vitali, Rahman, Morrison and the likes were all in their prime.

As said, I don't take any active fighters into consideration and it may change with regards to Wlad, but I don't feel like his resume stacks up to lewis'.

That's my point. If you take Holyfield and Tyson to be his best wins it tells something taking into account when he fought them. They both were far from their primes (especially Tyson - I give lennox almost none credit for beating that tyson). As for Bruno and Ruddock, actually I am very surprised you put these two before Vitali. They did absolutely nothing after Lennox beat them. Ruddock was Tyson's leftover and I never ranked Bruno that high to start with.

I actually think Mercer beat Lennox. It was close but I have Mercer taking that one. Lennox never rematches him. Golota, Botha or Briggs I think I don't need to comment... Rahman KOed Lennox and that's about it. Morrison pretty much retired after Lennox.

Taking all into account, Vitali is his best win, and by far.

Pianetta would KOed Lionel Butler or Justin Fortune although I like him only as Wlad's stay busy fight.

[Good Boy]

Lewis is a clear top 5 hw.

Wins over the elite - Holyfield (ATG) Klitschko (Hall of Famer) Tua (37-1)

Beat everyone he fought with solid wins over Briggs, Ruddock, Grant, Golota, Rahman, Botha etc. he really can't be denied.

[JAB5239]

Ali
Louis
Foreman
Holmes
Johnson
Lewis
Tyson
Marciano
Liston
Patterson

How anyone can have Wlad's no skill always bear hugging KTFO'd ass in their top 10 ANYTHING is pure fan-dom. Vitaly is WAAAY better and he's honorable mention at best, mainly because his poor opposition.

I like this list except for Patterson. Loved watching him fight, just don't feel he belongs in the top 10.

[Simurgh]

Lewis is a clear top 5 hw.

Wins over the elite - Holyfield (ATG) Klitschko (Hall of Famer) Tua (37-1)

Beat everyone he fought with solid wins over Briggs, Ruddock, Grant, Golota, Rahman, Botha etc. he really can't be denied.

Surely he is. I always put him in my top5 and sometimes even in top3 when I consider H2H more.

[Suckmedry]

1. Marciano
2. Ali
3. Wlad
4. Louis
5. Dempsey
5. Johnson
6. Corrie Sanders
7. Ross Purrity
8. Sam Peter
9. Floyd Patterson
10. Willard

[tangalog2200]

1.Ali
2.Louis
3.Tyson
4.Jack Johnson
5.Joe Fraizer
6.George Foreman
7.Lennox Lewis
8.Wlad K
9.Floyd Patterson
10.Larry Holmes

Just put Larry to Wlad's position...I don't mind them sharing the same spot

[LacedUp]

That's my point. If you take Holyfield and Tyson to be his best wins it tells something taking into account when he fought them. They both were far from their primes (especially Tyson - I give lennox almost none credit for beating that tyson). As for Bruno and Ruddock, actually I am very surprised you put these two before Vitali. They did absolutely nothing after Lennox beat them. Ruddock was Tyson's leftover and I never ranked Bruno that high to start with.

I actually think Mercer beat Lennox. It was close but I have Mercer taking that one. Lennox never rematches him. Golota, Botha or Briggs I think I don't need to comment... Rahman KOed Lennox and that's about it. Morrison pretty much retired after Lennox.

Taking all into account, Vitali is his best win, and by far.

Pianetta would KOed Lionel Butler or Justin Fortune although I like him only as Wlad's stay busy fight.

People often say that Holyfield was past his prime. I don't buy into that. And Lennox is older than Tyson, though I appreciate Tyson was past his prime.

A lot of people thought Holyfield would beat Lennox, many thought Tyson would beat Lennox. But because Lennox made easy work out of both of them, Holyfield twice, the general consensus is that they were way beyond their prime.

Bruno became world champion again after losing to Lennox, that's got to count for something? Ruddock and Mercer I put in there, because they really put Lennox on the map. Mercer was a real test of his guts - and he passed.

You don't need to comment? Briggs was lineal champion? Both Golota and Botha (maybe not so much) were seen as legitimate contenders. Even in his later days he was beating good opponents, with Michael Grant and especially David Tua who was seen as a beast.

His resume is filled up with extremely good opposition. I dare say he possibly has the best resume of any HW in any era.

[Simurgh]

very good indication whether boxer is in his prime or past it, is to compare how he preforms normally and at that point. age does't always tell much - look at wlad, i think he never was better.

tyson was wwaaay past his prime - you can't argue that. holyfield also. they were more past their primes than lennox in vitali's fight.

if u take lennox beat holyfield twice one can take he lost to mercer... I would take Ibragimov over Botha, thompson over golota and chegaev over briggs.

tua is a good win, but i would take haye over that version. or byrd who actually beat tua a few months after lennox did it.

[Earl-Hickey]

Ali
Frazier
Louis
Lewis
Foreman
Holyfield
Liston
Dempsey
Holmes
Liston

exact order can be changed

[LacedUp]

very good indication whether boxer is in his prime or past it, is to compare how he preforms normally and at that point. age does't always tell much - look at wlad, i think he never was better.

tyson was wwaaay past his prime - you can't argue that. holyfield also. they were more past their primes than lennox in vitali's fight.

if u take lennox beat holyfield twice one can take he lost to mercer... I would take Ibragimov over Botha, thompson over golota and chegaev over briggs.

tua is a good win, but i would take haye over that version. or byrd who actually beat tua a few months after lennox did it.

Tyson was way past prime, I can accept that. But that doesn't change the fact that many people still believed he was going to KO lewis, despite having only fought sub par opposition.

As Manny Steward put it: "People thought that Mike would be too much of a dawg for Lennox".

I don't think Holyfield I was anymore past his prime than Lennox was at that point in '99. He was on a good run before lennox, and went on to become the champ again after lennox; beating some good contenders in Rahman, Ruiz & Oquendo.

I can go with Ibragimov > Botha. But Briggs in his prime would destroy that slump Chagaev. The Tua Lennox beat was good. No two ways about that. Thompson over Golota? Not if the moon turned green my man.