Top 10 Heavyweights of all times.

[JAB5239]

I think I answered you question with the list I gave in previous post. Maybe I don't understand what do you ask exactly.

Maybe you can give me the example with Lennox with the same question

You think Wlad is "so poor" - your opinion - I surly won't agree with it. IMO you can't be more wrong.

No you did not answer the question. What have WLADS opponents done before and after fighting him? Peter, Ibragimov, Haye, Austin etc. And I never said Wlad was "so poor". In fact I've consistently called him an ATG and said he will possibly crack the top ten. Why are you trying to twist what I've actually said?

[Simurgh]

No you did not answer the question. What have WLADS opponents done before and after fighting him? Peter, Ibragimov, Haye, Austin etc. And I never said Wlad was "so poor". In fact I've consistently called him an ATG and said he will possibly crack the top ten. Why are you trying to twist what I've actually said?

I gave you the list of some opponents that Wlad's opponents beat - some great fighters there. So they beat Vitali Klitschko, David Tua, Evander Holyfiled, Tommy Morisson, Tim Witherspoon, James Toney, Lennox Lewis, Nikolai Valuev, Andrei Golota... among the others.

Of course most of them were champions before Wlad beat them as they couldn't get it back from either Wlad or Vitali. Is that the answer you looked for? (I really don't avoid anything, I just don't understand if that's what you're asking).

"This is why Wlads is so poor." that's what you said - I am not trying to twist anything.

[craigus1990]

Louis.
Ali.
Lewis.
Marciano.
Foreman.
Tyson.
Holmes.
Holyfield.
Wlad.
Bowe.

[DreamFighter]

I gave you the list of some opponents that Wlad's opponents beat - some great fighters there. So they beat Vitali Klitschko, David Tua, Evander Holyfiled, Tommy Morisson, Tim Witherspoon, James Toney, Lennox Lewis, Nikolai Valuev, Andrei Golota... among the others.

good when they were prime, ****e when they were old.

"This is why Wlads is so poor." that's what you said - I am not trying to twist anything.

he refers to Wlad resume being poor. not Wlad being so poor, which you are entirely aware of, so you are directly trying to twist an argument, I am guessing because you failedto find fault with his stance.

Much the same way you conveniently ignore that all these names were shot2**** when they got beat - in effect you are trying to tell us that Trevor Berbick was an ATG for beating a disease ridden old Ali. No one with any sense tries to claim such things. Why do you? Tell us why you claim such.

[LacedUp]

Again I fail to see why would that be so importnat. If lennox gave Vitali a rematch Vitali would be the man who beat the man. Would that gave him a better overall resume than wlad's - I don't think so.

Ok, I'll name a few. Vitali Klitschko, David Tua, Evander Holyfiled, Tommy Morisson, Tim Witherspoon, James Toney, Lennox Lewis, Nikolai Valuev...

You now go and neglect it by some criteria

Lennox Lewis was stopped twice (not TKOed but KOed) near or in his prime and noone has a problem putting him in top3 and noone should.

Lennox Lewis ended the first McCall fight on his feet. He also avenged both of his losses.

[JAB5239]

I gave you the list of some opponents that Wlad's opponents beat - some great fighters there. So they beat Vitali Klitschko, David Tua, Evander Holyfiled, Tommy Morisson, Tim Witherspoon, James Toney, Lennox Lewis, Nikolai Valuev, Andrei Golota... among the others.

Of course most of them were champions before Wlad beat them as they couldn't get it back from either Wlad or Vitali. Is that the answer you looked for? (I really don't avoid anything, I just don't understand if that's what you're asking).

"This is why Wlads is so poor." that's what you said - I am not trying to twist anything.

Why don't you break down who beat who and when? The list won't be impressive at all at that point. And who did Wlad beat that beat Lewis?

And I meant that is why Wlads resume is so poor. That was my mistake though.

[LacedUp]

Why don't you break down who beat who and when? The list won't be impressive at all at that point. And who did Wlad beat that beat Lewis?

And I meant that is why Wlads resume is so poor. That was my mistake though.

I'm guessing Rahman. As if Rahman anno 2008 is anything remotely close to the Rahman of 2001.

[ShamrockXpress]

good when they were prime, ****e when they were old.



he refers to Wlad resume being poor. not Wlad being so poor, which you are entirely aware of, so you are directly trying to twist an argument, I am guessing because you failedto find fault with his stance.

Much the same way you conveniently ignore that all these names were shot2**** when they got beat - in effect you are trying to tell us that Trevor Berbick was an ATG for beating a disease ridden old Ali. No one with any sense tries to claim such things. Why do you? Tell us why you claim such.

Chris Byrd wasn't shot to 5h1t when wlad beat him, that accounts for vitali and tua again neither of whom were shot. Evander Holyfield was shot when Byrd beat him and definatly gone when ibragimov beat him, but he was when he fought Lewis also and no one takes the win from him. Ray mercer was old when wlad fought him but the fact that wlad was still pretty green to the way he is now (in the fact he peaked late under the guidance of emmanuel) and the fact he stopped him is quite impressive. Peter was prime when wlad first fought him, he then went onto beat toney who was still a contender at the time. Rahman was shot but he was never much anyway, all he ever had was a punchers chance at best against the top tier and your punch is the last thing to go, I don't see how this fight would have been any different if he'd been prime. Tim Witherspoon was shot to bits when he fought mercer and Barrett. Valuev was prime when chagaev beat him and on the slip slighly when Haye fought him, both of whom were close to prime when wlad beat them. So they wernt all bad examples to be brought up.

[Barn]

I feel that Wladimir is greater than Johnson and Dempsey.

[LacedUp]

I feel that Wladimir is greater than Johnson and Dempsey.

Wlad over Johnson? That's a bold thing to say. Please elaborate..