Top 10 Heavyweights of all times.

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Ali
Frazier
Louis
Lewis
Foreman
Holyfield
Liston
Dempsey
Holmes
Liston

exact order can be changed

You put Liston in twice? - I would respectfully like to know why you include him in your top 10?

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Tyson was way past prime, I can accept that. But that doesn't change the fact that many people still believed he was going to KO lewis, despite having only fought sub par opposition.

As Manny Steward put it: "People thought that Mike would be too much of a dawg for Lennox".

I don't think Holyfield I was anymore past his prime than Lennox was at that point in '99. He was on a good run before lennox, and went on to become the champ again after lennox; beating some good contenders in Rahman, Ruiz & Oquendo.

I can go with Ibragimov > Botha. But Briggs in his prime would destroy that slump Chagaev. The Tua Lennox beat was good. No two ways about that. Thompson over Golota? Not if the moon turned green my man.

Tyson was done - he wasn't prepared to go more than 3 proper rounds.
Holyfield was way over his prime - would prime (or year past prime) Holyfield lost to Ruiz - let's be real here He lost to Bowe 7 years prior to that - 7 years!

I don't see what Golota did except giving past prime Bowe a taught fight - so did Chisora to Vitali - is he great too? Thompson during his whole career lost only to one man and the very best one. Look at the way Golota gone in Lennox's fight then in tyson's fight. One punch he's gone - not physically but mentally - a definition of poor fighter in my book. How many times he gave up?! How about in Grant fight. Golota is good till you hit him harder. After that he either kicks your balls or gives up.

Tua that Lennox beat lost to Byrd who was destroyed by Wlad. Briggs was a bully, against half smart fighter he has no chance. Prime Haye KOs prime Briggs. I mean the man got the credit for beating old man Foreman and he draw with Botha shortly after Lennox beat him.

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Tyson was done - he wasn't prepared to go more 3 proper rounds.
Holyfield was way over his prime - would prime (or year past prime) Holyfield lost to Ruiz - let's be real here He lost to Bowe 7 years prior to that - 7 years!

I don't see what Golota did except giving past prime Bowe a taught fight - so did Chisora to Vitali - is he great too? Thompson during his whole career lost only to one man and the very best one. Look at the way Golota gone in Lennox's fight then in tyson's fight. One punch he's gone - not physically but mentally - a definition of poor fighter in my book.

Tua that Lennox beat lost to Byrd who was destroyed by Wlad. Briggs was a bully, against half smart fighter he has no chance. Prime Haye KOs prime Briggs. I mean the man got the credit for beating old man Foreman and he draw with Botha shortly after Lennox beat him.

Let's be completely real here, losing a fight doesn't make you "past your prime" . Bowe was a good fighter and he put up a good showing. All great fighters have lost in their careers, it's how you get back from it.

I haven't said anywhere that Golota was "great", just that he's better than Tony Thompson. He might only have lost to Wlad (actually he didn't), but he fought crap opposition his whole career! Golota handed it to Bowe in both fights before Lewis, and that's no easy task. In reality, he was undefeated when facing Lennox. And he sure as hell would beat that sloth Thompson.

Briggs was a helluva fighter in his prime. He would have beaten that turd Chagaev every day of the week.

Are you trying to make a case for Wlad's resume > Lewis?

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You put Liston in twice? - I would respectfully like to know why you include him in your top 10?

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Well prior to the Ali fight he was a feared and respected champion, he's underrated these days, had more skill than credited for, piston like jab, power.

His resume is also pretty good imo, Williams X2, Patterson X2, Folley that gets underrated.

Good resume in a tough era. Liston actually went about 15-0 in like 4 years after losing to Ali and didn't get a title shot, I mean compare that to nowadays where they throw out title shots like tic-tacs.

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Let's be completely real here, losing a fight doesn't make you "past your prime" . Bowe was a good fighter and he put up a good showing. All great fighters have lost in their careers, it's how you get back from it.

I haven't said anywhere that Golota was "great", just that he's better than Tony Thompson. He might only have lost to Wlad (actually he didn't), but he fought crap opposition his whole career! Golota handed it to Bowe in both fights before Lewis, and that's no easy task. In reality, he was undefeated when facing Lennox. And he sure as hell would beat that sloth Thompson.

Briggs was a helluva fighter in his prime. He would have beaten that turd Chagaev every day of the week.

Are you trying to make a case for Wlad's resume > Lewis?

I don't think Golota was better than Thomspon. At worst I would put them at the same. People underestimate Thomspon a lot. He is a huge southpaw very skillful and tricky. Price is not a figure of merit here, but KOing young, huge, unbeaten fighter at 41 tells something. and I am talking about prime, motivated, unbeaten (I don't count that 6th fight 6 round UD for much) TT. There is that guy (Dwyer) who gives betting advices - now I don't necessary agree with him but he has some very good points about TT. He is not 'sloth' by any means.

Briggs would be KOed by Haye. He lost to Ibragimov. I don't rate him high. I don't see anything special about prime Briggs. He could take a punch but he just don't have that ring IQ. I wouldn't choose him over Peter from first Wlad's fight.

I am not advocating Wlad>lennox. They are about the same - I usually put Lennox one spot in front, but I have them generally at the same spot.

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Ali
Louis
Foreman
Holmes
Johnson
Frazier
Jeffries
Liston
Holyfield
Marciano

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Lewis should get about as much credit for Tyson as Calzaghe gets for Jones (some idiots inexplicably thought Roy would KO Joe, too), and anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

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I haven't said anywhere that Golota was "great", just that he's better than Tony Thompson. He might only have lost to Wlad (actually he didn't), but he fought crap opposition his whole career! Golota handed it to Bowe in both fights before Lewis, and that's no easy task. In reality, he was undefeated when facing Lennox. And he sure as hell would beat that sloth Thompson.

the funny thing is, i actually agree with you here (in not so many words), but a sloppy, 260+lb version of that sloth slept your boy.


hilarious to see you disparage guys like Chagaev, after having spent months making making lofty proclamations for a bonafide turd in David fucking Price, ahahahahahahahahaaaaa.

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I don't see what Golota did except giving past prime Bowe a taught fight - so did Chisora to Vitali - is he great too?

Golota was beating Bowe up real good. Chisora's feat was managing to not get beat up like most other Vitali opponents, winning 3-4 rounds max. bit of a difference.

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Golota was beating Bowe up real good. Chisora's feat was managing to not get beat up like most other Vitali opponents, winning 3-4 rounds max. bit of a difference.

I was exaggerating - I do rank Golota over Chisora (I was making a point). But apart from that Bowe fight which he LOST, Golota didn't show much IMO. Especially the way he gone in Lennox's fight. And that was way past prime Bowe - if you doubt re-watch the post fight interview - Bowe himself almost admit it.
There are many fighters on Wlad's resume I rank quite higher.