Top 10 Heavyweights of all times.

[Simurgh]

Wlad never beat the man who beat the man. And his list of paper titlists is weak. You didn't answer my question. Who did THEY beat before and after Wlad?

As far as ATG's who were stopped.....you have to take the time in their careers and circumstances into the equation.

Again I fail to see why would that be so importnat. If lennox gave Vitali a rematch Vitali would be the man who beat the man. Would that gave him a better overall resume than wlad's - I don't think so.

Ok, I'll name a few. Vitali Klitschko, David Tua, Evander Holyfiled, Tommy Morisson, Tim Witherspoon, James Toney, Lennox Lewis, Nikolai Valuev...

You now go and neglect it by some criteria

Lennox Lewis was stopped twice (not TKOed but KOed) near or in his prime and noone has a problem putting him in top3 and noone should.

[DreamFighter]

you talk about ducking and losing to stiffs yet you have tyson and dempsey in your top 10?

Tyson won the HW title virtually out of high school and unified shortly after, and beat a lot of good fighters before he was brought low by a woman. Its difficult to quantify one who burn so bright so young yet fizzles out midway though his career, so I tried to average his top five early start with his later career. Numbers never make sense of such bright burners.

Though I take your point, I was ooing and erring about both Tyson and Demps myself in this hastily constructed list.

[DreamFighter]

Again I fail to see why would that be so importnat. If lennox gave Vitali a rematch Vitali would be the man who beat the man.

in your head yes, but he got destroyed first time, all the evidence says he would get destroyed 2nd time too. So in answer toyou your rhetorical question -

Would that gave him a better overall resume than wlad's - I don't think so.

probably yes. A lol might be needed there?

[Simurgh]

in your head yes, but he got destroyed first time, all the evidence says he would get destroyed 2nd time too. So in answer toyou your rhetorical question -


probably yes.

O teacher, you are back

I don't discuss boxing with you. You are far more interesting with other topics.

How about economy tonight?

[JAB5239]

Again I fail to see why would that be so importnat. If lennox gave Vitali a rematch Vitali would be the man who beat the man. Would that gave him a better overall resume than wlad's - I don't think so.

Ok, I'll name a few. Vitali Klitschko, David Tua, Evander Holyfiled, Tommy Morisson, Tim Witherspoon, James Toney, Lennox Lewis, Nikolai Valuev...

You now go and neglect it by some criteria

Lennox Lewis was stopped twice (not TKOed but KOed) near or in his prime and noone has a problem putting him in top3 and noone should.

You're assuming Vits would have won a rematch, so that's irrelevant. And you're still avoiding the question. How a fighters comp does before and after him directly effects his resume. This is why Wlads is so poor. And Lewis was ko'd once. I don't see hardly anyone ever put him in the top 3.

[DreamFighter]

Wlad never beat the man who beat the man. And his list of paper titlists is weak. You didn't answer my question. Who did THEY beat before and after Wlad?

I think he means arreola, who could beat lewis.

[DreamFighter]

O teacher, you are back

I don't discuss boxing with you. You are far more interesting with other topics.

How about economy tonight?

no this is a boxing forum, deal with your tko losses.

[Simurgh]

You're assuming Vits would have won a rematch, so that's irrelevant. And you're still avoiding the question. How a fighters comp does before and after him directly effects his resume. This is why Wlads is so poor. And Lewis was ko'd once. I don't see hardly anyone ever put him in the top 3.

I think I answered you question with the list I gave in previous post. Maybe I don't understand what do you ask exactly.

Maybe you can give me the example with Lennox with the same question

You think Wlad is "so poor" - your opinion - I surly won't agree with it. IMO you can't be more wrong.

[Simurgh]

no this is a boxing forum, deal with your tko losses.

I will I promise. You forgive me, wise man

[marvin douglas]

He ain't better at all larry Holmes is top 5 . I don't know why he's not higher on people's lists

Holmes would beat everybody other that Ali. He could beat Foreman (with movement), Rocky (with size), Lewis with the jab, and Vlad with toughness.

Also, don't forget Sonny Liston.