Why don't fans make Andre Ward a draw?

[4Corners]

I didn't say for 1 it's wrong & for the other it's right, that's another lie. Find it. In fact if Floyd called Martinez's bluff for the fight at 150, I wouldn't even be mad. You dudes are crazy. How do you argue with yourself & just make $h!t up as you go dude??

You imply things without actually saying them. You are basically saying Ward fighting Dawson at 168 was cool because Dawson offered himself there. But then Floyd is a punk if he fought Sergio at 150, even though Sergio offered himself there.

[Bushbaby]

ok just saw this in the other thread.

this was the exact point I was making about floyd/canelo and floyd/trout. Ward, who you salivated over the past two days, is showing a willingness to fight outside his weight class for one fighter and not another fighter for money.

No, it really isn't, here's why. I'm not defending Ward for calling out Floyd at 160. I think it's bull$h!t that he'd fight Floyd at 160, but not Martinez.

But you're defending Floyd fighting 1 guy, but making excuses about him not fighting the other. That's self ownage bro. That's the difference between us. i don't defend garbage, you do.

[4Corners]

No, it really isn't, here's why. I'm not defending Ward for calling out Floyd at 160. I think it's bull$h!t that he'd fight Floyd at 160, but not Martinez.

But you're defending Floyd fighting 1 guy, but making excuses about him not fighting the other. That's self ownage bro. That's the difference between us. i don't defend garbage, you do.

The bolded....we already agree on.

So Floyd fighting top ranked fighters = garbage????

You are saying Ward was cool for fighting Dawson 7 lbs south of his weight, because Dawson said he could fight there. But then you said Floyd shouldn't fight Sergio at 150, because he said he doesn't need CW's, all the while Sergio, like Dawson, said he would fight Floyd there.

Meanwhile, Cotto also said he'd fight Manny at 145, made weight and could make weight "fine".

Yet Manny was trashed by you for god knows how long.

[Bushbaby]

You imply things without actually saying them. You are basically saying Ward fighting Dawson at 168 was cool because Dawson offered himself there. But then Floyd is a punk if he fought Sergio at 150, even though Sergio offered himself there.

More lies I see. You're good at making stuff up, but that's about it. In fact I never said a bad word about Floyd taking up Martinez's offer for 150. I'm trying to make that clear for you, so You can just stop imagining nonsense. Your entire argument this morning was fabricated in your head.

1. I never praised Ward for the Dawson win.

2. I never defended Ward saying he'd fight Floyd at 160.

3. I never said Floyd would be suspect if he accepted 150 Martinez's offer.

Everything you claimed this morning is a damn lie. Made up, in your head. But yet you return faithfully with more fabricated lies. What happened last night??

[Weebler I]

Lets not be a fanboy here, you know damn well you have a good amount of fans watching to see Mayweather win and some watching to see Mayweather lose and then just some BOXING fans that are not fanboys.

So now you are saying that the Draw in the match rather it be Pacman, May, Hatton, Cotto don't have anything to do with the PPV? The tv ratings?? The Ticket prices

What are you saying here? I said not everyone was watching for Mayweather in those fights, a lot of people were watching for his opponents in those fights.

You think they were all watching for Floyd? I'm not saying Floyd fans didn't contribute to a large degree, but they weren't all watching for him.

[4Corners]

More lies I see. You're good at making stuff up, but that's about it. In fact I never said a bad word about Floyd taking up Martinez's offer for 150. I'm trying to make that clear for you, so You can just stop imagining nonsense. Your entire argument this morning was fabricated in your head.

1. I never praised Ward for the Dawson win.

2. I never defended Ward saying he'd fight Floyd at 160.

3. I never said Floyd would be suspect if he accepted 150 Martinez's offer.

Everything you claimed this morning is a damn lie. Made up, in your head. But yet you return faithfully with more fabricated lies. What happened last night??

You just said a couple pages back that Floyd said he doesn't need CW's....oh oh oh so that cancels that out.

We already agree on #2.....I missed your posts on that, good to see you recognize that at least.

You didn't praise him specifically for the Dawson win, but you don't give him crap for fighting a weight drained Dawson, where as you did with Manny and Cotto, even though Cotto, like Dawson, said he made weight fine.

On here, you tend to imply things without actually saying them. You'd be a good criminal during questioning, also you'd make a good politician.

[The Big Dunn]

No, it really isn't, here's why. I'm not defending Ward for calling out Floyd at 160. I think it's bull$h!t that he'd fight Floyd at 160, but not Martinez.

But you're defending Floyd fighting 1 guy, but making excuses about him not fighting the other. That's self ownage bro. That's the difference between us. i don't defend garbage, you do.

I simply pointed out what I thought was the reason. when I did, you then made that tacit approval without me specfically saying its ok just because it was floyd.

I didn't defend or criticize ward either-I just gave the reason why IMO he'd do a floyd fight at 160 and not sergio. This is pro boxing so economics is always a factor in any fight.

[Bushbaby]

The bolded....we already agree on.

So Floyd fighting top ranked fighters = garbage????

You are saying Ward was cool for fighting Dawson 7 lbs south of his weight, because Dawson said he could fight there. But then you said Floyd shouldn't fight Sergio at 150, because he said he doesn't need CW's, all the while Sergio, like Dawson, said he would fight Floyd there.

Meanwhile, Cotto also said he'd fight Manny at 145, made weight and could make weight "fine".

Yet Manny was trashed by you for god knows how long.

And still you continue?? I said "Floyd & Martinez cancel each other out". Which it does.

Martinez said he'd go as low as 150. Floyd said he doesn't need catchweights & fights guys at there best weight cause he wants them healthy. He is also a 2 time champion at 154.

Ward has never fought at 175. Dawson called him out at 168.

Why don't you simply admit you're entire argument this morning was ill conceived & quit making yourself look ******.

You claim 1 thing, get proven wrong & jump to the next & the next. WTF??

[Bushbaby]

I simply pointed out what I thought was the reason. when I did, you then made that tacit approval without me specfically saying its ok just because it was floyd.

I didn't defend or criticize ward either-I just gave the reason why IMO he'd do a floyd fight at 160 and not sergio. This is pro boxing so economics is always a factor in any fight.

It's bull$h!t, from both fighters, period. I already know about the (economics) of it. Still doesn't get my approval though.

[4Corners]

Alright Bush. So because Ward doesn't actually travel outside his weight yet, he can rain Dawson to 168. Okay. We can agree to disagree. You seem to have certain opinions on something with one guy, and another win another guy.

Cotto said he made 145 fine and could make it fine. You trash Manny.
Dawson said he made 168 fine and could make it fine. You don't trash Ward.

Sergio said he'd fight Floyd at 150....you say no, because Floyd said he doesn't need CW's.
Dawson said he'd fight Ward at 168, you say cool, because Ward has never fought outside 168.

Whatever......I guess you don't see what's wrong.