Why don't fans make Andre Ward a draw?

[marvelousmatt]

Ward is all class and can flat out scrap. I for one was very impressed with his AZZ whooping of Dawson who is a fringe top 10 P4P fighter and the lesson he gave Froch who is a top 8-9 P4P fighter. My only thing with Ward is that challenging Floyd at MW is ******. If Ward can get dwon to 160 lbs...then fight Sergio in Vegas or A.C. (saving me $$$,lol). I need another excuse to get out there to Vegas...lol. This would be perfect as 2 of my favorites and my #2 and #3 P4P go at it. Sergio will still weigh only 160-162 lbs come fight night and Ward will re-hydrate to 175 lbs range. Please make this fight. It will do tremendous with PPV and sell out easily. If Ward wins,then he will have beat the RING 175 and 160 lbs. champions establishing himself as the next RJJ type of US Star !!! If Sergio wins then Floyd can't duck him anymore. I like Floyd a lot but he needs to still fight : Pacman,Canelo,Trout, and Sergio. Nevermind his BS Showtime list.

[4Corners]

You're still here?? Now you don't recall me praising him specifically for the Dawson win?? Which one is it??

Whats my take on Ward accepting Dawson's challenge to come down to 168?? Not much. If Dawson was dumb enough to do it, why should Ward not let him??

Dawson calling out Ward & offering his a$$ at 168, is not the same as Cotto being forced to fight Pacman at 145. Which is why I don't hold it against ward for Dawson's ******ity. You cannot compare the situation, no matter how much you try.

Bad choice of words on my part. I should have worded it more like this "Bush, you gave Manny tons of s**t for fighting Cotto 2 lbs south of his weight, but I don't recall you giving Ward crap for fighting Dawson 7 lbs south of his weight".

So Sergio has called Floyd out at 150....would you be alright if Floyd fought Sergio at 150???

And the situations are this.....fighter A fought someone at 145 lbs, which Cotto said he made fine and could make, you trash him. You than say since Dawson said he'd fight fighter B at 168 no problem, than it's his fault. Dawson also offered a CW to Ward, which Ward turned down.

You know damn well if that was Manny or Floyd instead of Ward, you would have talked crap about them not fighting him at a weight in between or going up to 175.

[The Big Dunn]

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ok just saw this in the other thread.

this was the exact point I was making about floyd/canelo and floyd/trout. Ward, who you salivated over the past two days, is showing a willingness to fight outside his weight class for one fighter and not another fighter for money.

[4Corners]

So bascially......we agree on Ward looking dumb calling out Floyd at 160, since he won't drop weight to fight Sergio. Good.

But since Dawson said he'd fight at 168, it makes it okay for Ward to them turn down a CW offer, as well as not travel up in weight to fight him???

I just don't agree. You move up in weight to become great.

[Bushbaby]

Bad choice of words on my part. I should have worded it more like this "Bush, you gave Manny tons of s**t for fighting Cotto 2 lbs south of his weight, but I don't recall you giving Ward crap for fighting Dawson 7 lbs south of his weight".

So Sergio has called Floyd out at 150....would you be alright if Floyd fought Sergio at 150???

And the situations are this.....fighter A fought someone at 145 lbs, which Cotto said he made fine and could make, you trash him. You than say since Dawson said he'd fight fighter B at 168 no problem, than it's his fault. Dawson also offered a CW to Ward, which Ward turned down.

You know damn well if that was Manny or Floyd instead of Ward, you would have talked crap about them not fighting him at a weight in between or going up to 175.

Martinez said he'd fight Floyd there. But floyd said he doesn't need catchweights to fight at jr middleweight. Those statements cancel each other out.

Concerning Dawson & Cotto, Dawson offered 168 himself at the beginning, hell even before negotiations started. Cotto had no choice. I'm not sure how much clearer the difference can be put for you. You came out swinging with a lie & you're continuing on changing direction with baseless accusations. That's amazing to me.

[4Corners]

Martinez said he'd fight Floyd there. But floyd said he doesn't need catchweights to fight at jr middleweight. Those statements cancel each other out.

Concerning Dawson & Cotto, Dawson offered 168 himself at the beginning, hell even before negotiations started. Cotto had no choice. I'm not sure how much clearer the difference can be put for you. You came out swinging with a lie & you're continuing on changing direction with baseless accusations. That's amazing to me.

Cotto also said he could do 145 fine and said he made weight fine.....

You're doing this to yourself with your posts....you say it's alright for Ward to take the easier route in fighting Dawson 7 lbs south of his weight.....but than say it'd be bull for Floyd fighting Sergio at 150, even though Sergio called Floyd out at 150 before (which is the same thing Dawson did in saying he could fight at 168).

So for one guys, it's wrong. For the other, it's cool. Have a good one.

For the record, I think Floyd fighting Sergio at 150 is every bit as crappy as Ward fighting Dawson at 168.

[Bushbaby]

So bascially......we agree on Ward looking dumb calling out Floyd at 160, since he won't drop weight to fight Sergio. Good.

But since Dawson said he'd fight at 168, it makes it okay for Ward to them turn down a CW offer, as well as not travel up in weight to fight him???

I just don't agree. You move up in weight to become great.

The only recent situation you can compare the Ward/Dawson to is B-Hop/Pascal. When Pascal asked for enhanced testing after the deal was met.

Which is what Dawson did. Asking for a catchweight after he offered his a$$ at 168.

[KickAzz]

it's cause Ward's style is boring... he fights more like Hopkins than RJJ

[Bushbaby]

Cotto also said he could do 145 fine and said he made weight fine.....

You're doing this to yourself with your posts....you say it's alright for Ward to take the easier route in fighting Dawson 7 lbs south of his weight.....but than say it'd be bull for Floyd fighting Sergio at 150, even though Sergio called Floyd out at 150 before (which is the same thing Dawson did in saying he could fight at 168).

So for one guys, it's wrong. For the other, it's cool. Have a good one.

I didn't say for 1 it's wrong & for the other it's right, that's another lie. Find it. In fact if Floyd called Martinez's bluff for the fight at 150, I wouldn't even be mad. You dudes are crazy. How do you argue with yourself & just make $h!t up as you go dude??

[4Corners]

You're splitting hairs here too....

You say because Floyd said he doesn't need CW's, it's bad for him to fight Sergio at 150, even though Sergio called him out there for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$44

But yet, Ward fights Dawson at 168, who called Ward out there, and it's okay for him to do so.

C'mon man.