Why don't fans make Andre Ward a draw?

[4Corners]

Ward was number 1 before Dawson. So your double standard doesn't exist.

.....He overtook them by beating Abraham and Froch, to become #1 P4P??? I lie Ward, but no.

And after the fight with Dawson, you were praising Ward a ton, you know it and I know it. But you talk crap about Manny, who fought Cotto at 145. At least admit that, because you and I both know that's true.

[BattlingNelson]

If he starts to clinch less and continues to settle down on his punches as he did against Dawson, he'll get the recognition from US fans I'm sure. The problem for him is that there's no DLH around for him to fight so there's no easy path towards mainstream as there was for Floyd and Pac.

[Bushbaby]

.....He overtook them by beating Abraham and Froch, to become #1 P4P??? I lie Ward, but no.

And after the fight with Dawson, you were praising Ward a ton, you know it and I know it. But you talk crap about Manny, who fought Cotto at 145. At least admit that, because you and I both know that's true.

How are you gonna jump out of left field asking me why I have him at number 1 & then bring up Pacman & Cotto claiming double standards that don't exist dude?? Didn't get no sleep last night??

I don't gotta admit anything. The situations are nothing alike.

Dawson called out Ward & said he'd go to 168 to do it.

Arum forced Cotto to 145 after Pacman originally wanted him at 142.

The situations were nothing alike. Your imaginary double standards are just that.

[Bushbaby]

.....He overtook them by beating Abraham and Froch, to become #1 P4P??? I lie Ward, but no.

And after the fight with Dawson, you were praising Ward a ton, you know it and I know it. But you talk crap about Manny, who fought Cotto at 145. At least admit that, because you and I both know that's true.

Furthermore that's not true. Stop now, you don't know what you're talking about.

[4Corners]

How are you gonna jump out of left field asking me why I have him at number 1 & then bring up Pacman & Cotto claiming double standards that don't exist dude?? Didn't get no sleep last night??

I don't gotta admit anything. The situations are nothing alike.

Dawson called out Ward & said he'd go to 168 to do it.

Arum forced Cotto to 145 after Pacman originally wanted him at 142.

The situations were nothing alike. Your imaginary double standards are just that.

So if Floyd fought Sergio at 150, since Sergio has mentioned 150, you'd be alright with that???

The fact is Ward SHOULD HAVE went to 175 to fight Dawson, if he wanted that win to look better. A certain someone you label cherry picker would have went up in weight to get that win. It's time for Ward to travel to 175, he's already 29.

It's a double standard. Manny didn't fight Cotto at his best weight at the time, 147. He made him come down 2 lbs. Ward didn't fight Dawson at his best weight, 175. He made him come down 7 lbs and wouldn't even accept a CW that was being offered for them to meet in the middle.

Than he proceeds to call out Floyd at 160, but doesn't say he'll drop any weight to fight Martinez. I really like Andre Ward, but since the Dawson thing when he decided not to go up in weight, and since saying he'd drop to 160 for Floyd, but not drop any weight for Sergio......it's rubbed me the wrong way to be honest....."dude".

[Bushbaby]

So if Floyd fought Sergio at 150, since Sergio has mentioned 150, you'd be alright with that???

The fact is Ward SHOULD HAVE went to 175 to fight Dawson, if he wanted that win to look better. A certain someone you label cherry picker would have went up in weight to get that win. It's time for Ward to travel to 175, he's already 29.

It's a double standard. Manny didn't fight Cotto at his best weight at the time, 147. He made him come down 2 lbs. Ward didn't fight Dawson at his best weight, 175. He made him come down 7 lbs and wouldn't even accept a CW that was being offered for them to meet in the middle.

Than he proceeds to call out Floyd at 160, but doesn't say he'll drop any weight to fight Martinez. I really like Andre Ward, but since the Dawson thing when he decided not to go up in weight, and since saying he'd drop to 160 for Floyd, but not drop any weight for Sergio......it's rubbed me the wrong way to be honest....."dude".

Like I said, you're wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. How bout this, I'll bet you all your points to all my points That I didn't praise Ward for his vitory over Dawsonb & I did in fact say Dawson was drained. If your excuse is you can't find them, I'll find them for you.

Like I said, you are wrong, I never praised Ward for that particular victory, you don't know what you're talking about & I'll put my points on it right now, what's up?

[The Big Dunn]

To answer the TS question- It would seem a great boxer with a clean image would be very marketable. But in the era of stars with personaility and charisma, its difficult for ward because he lacks both. I will always watch him fight

For Bushbaby just a quick question-Ward was quoted in September 2012 that he wouldn't go down to 160 to fight Matinez. Yesterday, Ward said floyd was the only reason he'd go down to 160. Is it acceptable for Ward-(who I think loses to both at 160 only because I dont see how he can make that weight healthy) to not be willing to fight Sergio a MW at 160 but fight floyd at the weight?

[Bushbaby]

I'm calling bs right now on quite a few points.

How does Ward come to 160 for Floyd but can't do a catchweight for Martinez??

How does Floyd do 160 for Ward, but not 154 for Martinez??

How does Ward expect Floyd to go to where he's never been to fight boxing's best fighter??

To answer the TS question- It would seem a great boxer with a clean image would be very marketable. But in the era of stars with personaility and charisma, its difficult for ward because he lacks both. I will always watch him fight

For Bushbaby just a quick question-Ward was quoted in September 2012 that he wouldn't go down to 160 to fight Matinez. Yesterday, Ward said floyd was the only reason he'd go down to 160. Is it acceptable for Ward-(who I think loses to both at 160 only because I dont see how he can make that weight healthy) to not be willing to fight Sergio a MW at 160 but fight floyd at the weight?

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[marvelousmatt]

Correction. PFP #1. But I'm sure that the real boxing fans, (not the nationalistic halfwits) watch all the fights like me. If it's televised, I'm there baby, no matter who it be!!

I follow boxing,period.Love it. If it's on tv,I'm watching it or its tevo'd for when I get out of work. If I can go to arena for good fights,I go.Ward only fights in CA. I live on East Coast of U.S. Take some fights in Europe,A.C., and Vegas.Ward will be a huge draw. He is starting to become good draw as it is in CA. A rematch with Froch again in A.C. or Vegas would help. Sergio at MW in Vegas ??? Easy match to make as Lou D lets his guys fight and Gossen does too. If Ward can make MW at 160 lbs....HUGE FIGHT with Sergio in Vegas. Kessler if he wins in Denmark ??? B-hop in A.C. ? I think he fiought Froch in A.C. before the Brits and everyone else knew how good the Cobra really is. I think that the US is really warming to Ward too and seeing how freaking good he really is.

[4Corners]

Furthermore that's not true. Stop now, you don't know what you're talking about.

Saying he's the real #1 P4P and how people have finally come around to that.....I didn't hear much coming from your end about the weight for Dawson.

Where as, you constantly used to talk crap about Manny fighting Cotto at 145