Vitali's legacy

[VG_Addict]

I'll need to see how Vitali does against Stiverne and possibly Haye before I decide.

Of course, even if one (or both) of them beat Vitali, Klittards are still gonna say, "Well, he was old, so it doesn't count", just like how a TKO loss doesn't count when you're ahead on scorecards.

[Ulver]

He came back to beat another contender who had already lost to his brother, was crude, and who's best win was over a fat former middleweight. Yeah, your argument makes a lot of sense!

You missed the key part of it where you are concerned:

Vitali may not be an ATG in the eyes of some butthurt xenophobic Americans and a few stray Lewis-lovers, but who cares about them?

In the places where boxing is still growing in popularity and is a relevant sport, there is no question that Vitali is an ATG.

[Ulver]

Vitali's resume is crap, really? And John Ruiz's is better, yeah?

As you can see from the poll, quite a few people voted yes, so I'm not the only one here. I'm actually surprised so many voted yes.

Get over your bitterness.

Considering this is a forum dominated by a lot of xenophobic American scum and a smaller selection of their UK counterparts, that is a good poll result for Vitali, who is obviously an ATG/HOF fighter anyway.

[Ulver]

I'll need to see how Vitali does against Stiverne and possibly Haye before I decide.

Of course, even if one (or both) of them beat Vitali, Klittards are still gonna say, "Well, he was old, so it doesn't count", just like how a TKO loss doesn't count when you're ahead on scorecards.

Vitali will flatten Stiverne, who will trade with him and get knocked out. But it will be an entertaining fight because Stiverne is a tough heavyweight.

Haye might be more elusive because he'll run all night, but Vitali should be able to catch him.

[JAB5239]

You didn't answer my question.

I've answered all the questions son. Its you who keeps avoiding my questions and with good reason. If I were a Klitschko stan I'd avoid them too as they simply prove Vittles is no all time great.

[JAB5239]

You missed the key part of it where you are concerned:

Vitali may not be an ATG in the eyes of some butthurt xenophobic Americans and a few stray Lewis-lovers, but who cares about them?

In the places where boxing is still growing in popularity and is a relevant sport, there is no question that Vitali is an ATG.

Since the United States holds more big fights each year than any other country (probably combined) than I would say its still relevant here. And until you can show me a single noted historian from ANY country that ranks Vits an ATG you're **** out of luck!!

And your nationalism is very telling of your insecurities and bitterness. You call Americans xenophobic, but we're the biggest melting pot in the world and have been since our inception as a country. So stich to boxing instead of the veiled insults, ok?

[JAB5239]

Considering this is a forum dominated by a lot of xenophobic American scum and a smaller selection of their UK counterparts, that is a good poll result for Vitali, who is obviously an ATG/HOF fighter anyway.

How exactly have you come to the conclusion who is from where?

[Ulver]

Since the United States holds more big fights each year than any other country (probably combined) than I would say its still relevant here.

Does it? Attendance-wise, boxing numbers in the USA are piss-poor. Even Mayweather has to paper the house. Fights promoted as "big fights" in the USA are very often papered events. In contrast, even the UK last year had a soccer-stadium sized event with Haye and Chisora. The Klitschkos routinely do 30,000-40,000 seat stadiums. That happens very seldom in the USA, usually with Pacman when it does occur. And Pacman is on the downward slide.....

[JAB5239]

Does it? Attendance-wise, boxing numbers in the USA are piss-poor. Even Mayweather has to paper the house. Fights promoted as "big fights" in the USA are very often papered events. In contrast, even the UK last year had a soccer-stadium sized event with Haye and Chisora. The Klitschkos routinely do 30,000-40,000 seat stadiums. That happens very seldom in the USA, usually with Pacman when it does occur. And Pacman is on the downward slide.....

Says who.....you? What country holds more big fights than any other country? Its easy to sell 30,000 or 40,000 seats for a couple of rubles and a chunk of goat cheese. They events here are star studded affairs which is why every fighter in the world wants to come here. And guess what, you still can't find a single credible historian to say Vits is an all time great. That is no hate, only 100% truth.

[Ulver]

Says who.....you? What country holds more big fights than any other country? Its easy to sell 30,000 or 40,000 seats for a couple of rubles and a chunk of goat cheese. They events here are star studded affairs which is why every fighter in the world wants to come here. And guess what, you still can't find a single credible historian to say Vits is an all time great. That is no hate, only 100% truth.

Vitali is regarded as an ATG by people in places where boxing is a popular, growing sport. The views of people from a country where the sport was once front page news and is now totally marginalized and almost dead are irrelevant. All you're going to get from the USA now is a bunch of bitter old men like the late and not lamented xenophobe Bert Sugar whining and moaning because the good old days are gone. Boxing in America is like Don King: faded and finished. That's the truth.