Why all the hate for Cotto?

[Rome-By-Ko]

if everyone went by your definition of elite.... there wouldnt be any elite fighters....

martinez biggest win is paul williams...and kelly pavlik.... thats as good as his resume gets ...its not that good at all...


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IMO I feel Martinez is an elite fighter(just my opinion),oh and yes Martinez wins over Pav Cintron Pwill and Chavez over Cotto's Mosley(his best win)and Marga's Foreman etc etc...

[lefthook2daliva]

This thread is trying to bait Cotto fans.

You're wanting us to act like P@ctards and say Cotto got robbed by Trout or that Trout was on PEDs.

That ain't gonna' happen (speaking for myself), but as a fan that is sad to see one of my favorites getting old, yeah it sucks but it's been gonna' happen for awhile now.

Cotto should be careful in who he picks to fight and if he wants to hang em up, good on him and good luck promoting.

Let's see who fights Trout next and at what weight.

[thatdudespits]

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i wasnt even going to go here but you forced my hand....

cotto has faced and beaten more world champions then felix trinidad...

they are both 3 division world champs

trinidads biggest win is a fight that everyone saw him lose to de la hoya...

whats his other biggest win? vargas? lol... Joppy? lol...campas?... mayorga?

cotto has a far better resume... compare them yourself.


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you can't assess purely by numbers/on paper, it's too deceptive. how many of Cotto's "world champions" were really anything more than paper titlists? Trinidad is clearly Greater, showed himself more capable at a higher level than Cotto and was clearly a better fighter. i favour his body of work, qualitatively. poll it and see how many disagree with that sentiment.

Cotto's best is Mosley. if you're trying to claim that a close one with a faded Mosley is better than a conclusive stoppage of a young hotshot Vargas who had shown himself precocious enough and not too green to get down with the like of Quartey and Wright, you're stretching it.

as for Trinidad-DLH, you can make a case for either principle in that fight. the verdict delivered that night has become one of the most overstated gift/robbery theories ever, in no small part perpetuated by the Legendary Nights series (like many other myths), and one that is generally not bought into by more discerning, long-time fight observers, who could/can see that the fight was generally very close and competitive and that De La Hoya only dazzled and looked a cut above in flashes.

anyway, when Cotto got in with fighters of the class of a 1999 De La Hoya, he got wrecked.

you are better off enjoying Cotto for what he is/was than wasting futile effort trying to prove he's something he's not. you'll get more pleasure out of him that way.

trinidads win over vargas is equivalent to cottos win over quintana... nothing better....

really what did vargas do in his career? he lost to trinidad, DLH, mayorga, mosley.... gtfoh with fernando vargas....

dude i own the dlh-trinidad fight.... you cant make a case for giving tito more than 4 generous rounds... dude lost.


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[S. Saddler 1310]

dude i own the dlh-trinidad fight.... you cant make a case for giving tito more than 4 generous rounds...

dude, i own it, too (original TVKO telecast with all the trimmings). and a good case certainly can be made for Tito. in addition to the rounds which were obviously his, there were a good number of swing rounds.

trinidads win over vargas is equivalent to cottos win over quintana... nothing better....

rofllmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooo


you just destroyed your credibility in this debate. no need to continue, discussion over.

[My Name Is...]

trinidads win over vargas is equivalent to cottos win over quintana... nothing better....

really what did vargas do in his career? he lost to trinidad, DLH, mayorga, mosley.... gtfoh with fernando vargas....

dude i own the dlh-trinidad fight.... you cant make a case for giving tito more than 4 generous rounds... dude lost.


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So Quintana is equivalent to a young Vargas? Um, okaaaay....

[thatdudespits]

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Originally Posted by thatdudespits

if everyone went by your definition of elite.... there wouldnt be any elite fighters....

martinez biggest win is paul williams...and kelly pavlik.... thats as good as his resume gets ...its not that good at all...


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IMO I feel Martinez is an elite fighter(just my opinion),oh and yes Martinez wins over Pav Cintron Pwill and Chavez over Cotto's Mosley(his best win)and Marga's Foreman etc etc...

he doesnt have a win over cintron...he has a draw.... and i will take wins over quintana (he beat paul williams), judah, mosley, clottey, malignaggi, margarito (he beat sergio) over martinez wins...

chavez lol.... going into the martinez fight chavez had only been in the ring with one former champion (szbik).... not exactly proven....

your level of competition is the measure ofyour greatness


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[S. Saddler 1310]

he doesnt have a win over cintron...he has a draw....

and Erislandy Lara has a loss to Paul Williams, i suppose? you're the kind of fellow who can't discuss impartially, the type who comes with a motive and pursues said agenda at all costs, brazenly disregarding reason as he goes.

[thatdudespits]

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Originally Posted by thatdudespits

dude i own the dlh-trinidad fight.... you cant make a case for giving tito more than 4 generous rounds...

dude, i own it, too (original TVKO telecast with all the trimmings). and a good case certainly can be made for Tito. in addition to the rounds which were obviously his, there were a good number of swing rounds.


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trinidads win over vargas is equivalent to cottos win over quintana... nothing better....

rofllmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooo


you just destroyed your credibility in this debate. no need to continue, discussion over.

vargas biggest wins are close fights with ike quartey and winky wright....

carlos quintana took the 0's from Joel Julio and Paul Williams

i dont see why its so ludicrous for me to consider the wins similar....

fernando vargas never did anything else in his career...


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[montoya_91]

Ike Quartey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Julio
Wright and Williams are more comparable but still - Wright >>Williams

[S. Saddler 1310]

vargas biggest wins are close fights with ike quartey and winky wright....

carlos quintana took the 0's from Joel Julio and Paul Williams

i dont see why its so ludicrous for me to consider the wins similar....

fernando vargas never did anything else in his career...


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so Vargas = Quintana, Quartey = Julio and Wink = Williams?

Quartey and Wright alone smoke anything Quintana had done or ever went on to do. and Vargas fought Trinidad (experienced elite guy with ruinous power) at age 22, rose from two knockdowns in the 1st to outbox and drop Tito over the middle period, fighting with extraordinary fortitude and considerable skill, before Trinidad overwhelmed him down the stretch and ended him late. we're talking about wholly different calibers of fighter. Vargas was a gun, Quintana was a pretty average fighter by comparison who offered Cotto meek resistance and quit on his stool. how do you think Quintana would have fared with Quartey, Wright, Tito, DLH? just curious.