Mayweather Standards?

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Check just said that floyd took all these fights for money, yet for some reason, he passed over the biggest money fight of them all.

Hmm...he signed the contract for the fight in 2010. Other team didn't. So where do you get this idea that he passed it over?

[Walt Liquor]

It definitely has been strong.

not really but for floyd, i guess you could say stronger than normal

It is when he's coming off two of the worst performances of his career and is moving up two divisions (which was apparently a bad thing when Floyd had him do it).

No he wasn't coming up 2 divisions. He has already fought floyd at WW and his fight right before manny was at 140. not the same thing. 18 months before the floyd fight jmm was fighting at 130 and had never fought over 130.

I don't believe he took more risks at all. But since you do, let's go through things fight by fight so I see where you're coming from.

ok, I'll start.

bernard hopkins. shane mosley at 154.

now your turn.

[Walt Liquor]

Hmm...he signed the contract for the fight in 2010. Other team didn't. So where do you get this idea that he passed it over?

i just made it up out of thin air.

unfortunately I didn't actually see the signed contract like you did

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not really but for floyd, i guess you could say stronger than normal

Strong, period. Marquez, Mosley, the top fighter at 154. Not bad at all.

No he wasn't coming up 2 divisions. He has already fought floyd at WW and his fight right before manny was at 140. not the same thing. 18 months before the floyd fight jmm was fighting at 130 and had never fought over 130.

Not sure where you're getting your info from. Marquez was the lightweight champ when he fought Floyd.

bernard hopkins. shane mosley at 147.

Bernard Hopkins was an impressive loss at a catchweight. Shane Mosley was a heavy, heavy underdog when he fought Oscar. I'm not sure who told you that was some big risk he was taking but try to remember the talk BEFORE that fight, not after.

now your turn.

Diego Corrales. Jose Luis Castillo

[Bushbaby]

Floyd takes the fights for least risk, most reward. That's fine. But it's also why he isn't the greatest fighter of this or any generation.

I don't expect him to fight at 154, but if he does, I do expect him to fight the best fighters capable of competing there. ginger is nothing but a hype job. I do not have a problem with the Ghost at welterweight though, that's a solid fight.

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i just made it up out of thin air.

unfortunately I didn't actually see the signed contract like you did

Just going off Kevin Iole's article on Yahoo which states that documents released post-negotiation showed that, on behalf of Floyd Mayweather, GBP sent a proposal over for Manny Pacquiao to sign that included a 50-50 split, OST, and was "so detailed that it indicates which of the two fighters would step onto the scale first at the weigh-in (Pacquiao), who would walk to the ring first (Pacquiao), who would be introduced first (Mayweather) and who had first choice of the locker room (Mayweather)."

That's all. So yeah, doesn't look like he passed over everything. I'd say the other side --who never drew up a proposal, who never signed anything and umm, who walked away from the negotiating table?--passed up on it.

[Walt Liquor]

Strong, period. Marquez, Mosley, the top fighter at 154. Not bad at all.

cotto was not the best fighter at 154

Not sure where you're getting your info from. Marquez was the lightweight champ when he fought Floyd.

that's what I said, but he was only 2 fights deep into his lw career.

let me ask you a question. does a fighter grow into a weight class or would a guy who fights at 147 for the 4th time be the same stature-wise as his first fight at 147 when he jumped a weight class to get there.

Bernard Hopkins was an impressive loss at a catchweight. Shane Mosley was a heavy, heavy underdog when he fought Oscar. I'm not sure who told you that was some big risk he was taking but try to remember the talk BEFORE that fight, not after.


Diego Corrales. Jose Luis Castillo

I changed it to Shane at 154 before you answered.

And so now we're talking wins, not risks? Are you changing the story or not? Is it comp or is it wins we're talking about?

Tito Trinidad, Shane at 154, Bhop at 156.

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cotto was not the best fighter at 154

Perhaps he wasn't and I'm forgetting someone?

that's what I said, but he was only 2 fights deep into his lw career.

A cherry pick for Pacquiao regardless.

let me ask you a question. does a fighter grow into a weight class or would a guy who fights at 147 for the 4th time be the same stature-wise as his first fight at 147 when he jumped a weight class to get there.

I'd save it takes several fights, not one fight at the weight in three years.

I changed it to Shane at 154 before you answered.

Oh yes, the Shane who hadn't won a fight in two years. HUGE risk by Oscar there

And so now we're talking wins, not risks? Are you changing the story or not? Is it comp or is it wins we're talking about?

Not sure what you're referring to. I said the Hopkins fight was a risk...and a loss at a catchweight. Both Mosley fights weren't mega risks and he was a heavy favorite for both. So scratch that. So far you've given me Tito and Hops at a catchweight. I've given you Corrales, Castillo, and I'll give you a Mosley who was a bigger risk than either version Oscar fought without hindsight.

[Walt Liquor]

Just going off Kevin Iole's article on Yahoo which states that documents released post-negotiation showed that, on behalf of Floyd Mayweather, GBP sent a proposal over for Manny Pacquiao to sign that included a 50-50 split, OST, and was "so detailed that it indicates which of the two fighters would step onto the scale first at the weigh-in (Pacquiao), who would walk to the ring first (Pacquiao), who would be introduced first (Mayweather) and who had first choice of the locker room (Mayweather)."

That's all. So yeah, doesn't look like he passed over everything. I'd say the other side --who never drew up a proposal, who never signed anything and umm, who walked away from the negotiating table?--passed up on it.

was it not public knowledge that manny wouldn't go for his ost demands? the ones specifically in that contract?

[Walt Liquor]

Perhaps he wasn't and I'm forgetting someone?

A cherry pick for Pacquiao regardless.


I'd save it takes several fights, not one fight at the weight in three years.

Oh yes, the Shane who hadn't won a fight in two years. HUGE risk by Oscar there

Not sure what you're referring to. I said the Hopkins fight was a risk...and a loss at a catchweight. Both Mosley fights weren't mega risks and he was a heavy favorite for both. So scratch that. So far you've given me Tito and Hops at a catchweight. I've given you Corrales, Castillo, and I'll give you a Mosley who was a bigger risk than either version Oscar fought without hindsight.

shane already beat him, so I'd say its a risk automatically.

you act like shane was doing nothing in those two years. he lost to forrest for the real ww title twice.