Mayweather Standards?

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shane already beat him, so I'd say its a risk automatically.

you act like shane was doing nothing in those two years. he lost to forrest for the real ww title twice.

Someone already beating you doesn't make the rematch a risk unless it occurs immediately. Too much in boxing happens in between. Someone call Antonio Margarito, I hear Sergio Martinez wants revenge. How about Nelson-Leija IV? Yeah, that really sealed the deal.

No, I'm not acting like Shane had done nothing. He was a heavy underdog in both fights. He hadn't won a fight in years. He was not proven at 154. I could go on. But the bottom line is that it wasn't a mega risk.

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Perhaps he wasn't and I'm forgetting someone?

A cherry pick for Pacquiao regardless.


I'd save it takes several fights, not one fight at the weight in three years.

Oh yes, the Shane who hadn't won a fight in two years. HUGE risk by Oscar there

Not sure what you're referring to. I said the Hopkins fight was a risk...and a loss at a catchweight. Both Mosley fights weren't mega risks and he was a heavy favorite for both. So scratch that. So far you've given me Tito and Hops at a catchweight. I've given you Corrales, Castillo, and I'll give you a Mosley who was a bigger risk than either version Oscar fought without hindsight.

shane at 38 after a 17 month layoff?

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was it not public knowledge that manny wouldn't go for his ost demands? the ones specifically in that contract?

No, it wasn't. Because he agreed to it initially. That's why it was included. Days later he had a change of heart.

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shane at 38 after a 17 month layoff?

Yes, the #1 ranked welter, #3 ranked pound for pound.

Shane who hadn't won a fight in 26 months?

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Someone already beating you doesn't make the rematch a risk unless it occurs immediately. Too much in boxing happens in between. Someone call Antonio Margarito, I hear Sergio Martinez wants revenge. How about Nelson-Leija IV? Yeah, that really sealed the deal.

No, I'm not acting like Shane had done nothing. He was a heavy underdog in both fights. He hadn't won a fight in years. He was not proven at 154. I could go on. But the bottom line is that it wasn't a mega risk.

Yea, because those circumstances are so similar.

Sergio is a 100% different fighter.

Azumah was 40 and about 10 years older than Jessie.

You make all kinds of shi t up. Shane and Oscar weren't much different at all than they were 3 years before when they fought. AT ALL.

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Yes, the #1 ranked welter, #3 ranked pound for pound.

Shane who hadn't won a fight in 26 months?

not winning a fight means jack shi t. he lost 2 fights for the lineal ww championship and was about to put it on raul marquex before the cuts. shane was prime.

shane when floyd fought him was nowhere near prime.

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i didn't think you were the type to persecute a dude and shi t on him for taking a tough fight and losing. vernon forrest was all wrong for shane but shane had the balls to step to him 2x and almost getting decapitated in the first fight.

but now he's a cherry pick for dela. even though he kinda spanked dela (IMO) in their first fight.

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This really caught my attention.

The way you say "All other LMWs", seems like there actually a bunch of 154 pounders people rather see Floyd against. IMO there's only two fighters there that would be sellable as good fights for Floyd, Canelo and Trout.

He already beat Cotto.

Lara and Vanes just came off a draw to eachother. Kirkland, Bundrage, really?

Mayweather vs Molina, crickets.

Angulo? Good fight for any one else at 154 except Floyd.

Now, who are these JMWs that Floyd is cherrypicking poor little Canelo over?

which means that anything he does at this point is a cherry pick because in order for canelo to be looked at as legit he needs to fight trout or a top live fighter in his division, which leaves may 4th open for the ghost vs floyd, martinez is fighting in april so its a no go there... so basically anything he does at this point is a cherry pick. CAN YOU HELP ME SEE WHICH LMW BRINGS FLOYD LEGACY VALUE????? TROUT?

http://www.iboboxing.com/rankings/154.html

I try to analyze match-ups based on their own merit, not how marketable they are. We already know that Canelo/Mayweather both bring fanbases, money will be made and everyone will get paid. Canelo/Mayweather is still a mismatch imho, in the same way that Martinez/Chavez Jr. was. Why do I consider one a cherry-pick and not the other? Because of the political bullshit Martinez had to go through to get that shot. Chavez could've dropped the belt and avoided him, but he didn't. It even took the WBC getting involved (and Arum allowing Jr. to fight) for the match to even pop off. Martinez was the lineal champ, but was considered the B-side. Plus, Chavez had a decent string of opposition leading up to the fight, which made it more palatable. On the other hand, Floyd is the biggest name in the sport and is always in the driver's seat. He's in the position where he controls other fighter's moves cuz everyone and their mama wants to fight him. Why choose a guy who's unproven when you have all this power at your disposal?

Back on topic though, there's no one at LMW that I would consider a legacy fight for Floyd. That's not to say that there aren't competitive fights there. That's not to say that I consider all of the fights as cherry-picks. I just think that Canelo is one of the less-competitive match-ups that can be made, and Floyd wants him because of what he brings to the table financially. There's such an imbalance in terms of the quality of Canelo's resume vs. his star-power, and it's hard for me to support that. It's even worse than Chavez Jr's, who I can say has actually beaten numerous MWs. Canelo has two LMWs on his resume in 10 fights. Cintron had previously lost to Molina and gave a crappy performance, simply no reason to fight him.

Canelo is getting a shot at the P4P throne off the strength of his loyal fan-base and the fact that he's a baby-faced red-headed Mexican who's aligned with DLH. I've already accepted the fact that Mayweather doesn't make match-ups with "legacy" ringing in his mind, and that's fine. Even if I don't like it, I can accept it, sit down and watch his fights because he's phenomenal in the ring. However, I think it's bullshit that fans go the extra mile to defend these match-ups too.

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Yea, because those circumstances are so similar.

Sergio is a 100% different fighter.

Azumah was 40 and about 10 years older than Jessie.

You make all kinds of shi t up. Shane and Oscar weren't much different at all than they were 3 years before when they fought. AT ALL.

Nah, I think you're the one making **** up. Again, Mosley was a heavy underdog. Hadn't won a fight in 26 months. Oscar was a pound for pounder. Mosley was not. So...what am I making up again? Ok then.

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not winning a fight means jack shi t. he lost 2 fights for the lineal ww championship and was about to put it on raul marquex before the cuts. shane was prime.

shane when floyd fought him was nowhere near prime.

You're right. Shane was nowhere near prime when he fought Floyd. Just like Hopkins wasn't prime when he fought Tito. Now...let's backtrack:

1. Mosley was #1 at welter when he fought Floyd. Mosley was not ranked at 154 when he fought Oscar.

2. Mosley was #3 pound for pound when he fought Floyd. Mosley was not ranked pound for pound when he fought Oscar.

3. Mosley hadn't fought in 17 months when he fought Floyd. Mosley hadn't won a fight in 26 months when he fought Oscar.

Anything else?