Mayweather vs Guerrero/Margarito question

[Jack Napier]

I was just saying Margarito hadn't really had any more legit or good wins than Guerrero does right now. It's the truth. Margarito wouldn't have been career defining in 2006, neither would Guerrero in 2013. Both would be solid wins over top WW's though.

and you're wrong man
Tony was a titlist for 5 yrs, knocking out contenders left and right
Guerrero has 2 good UD wins, and he's a blown up LW
WW Tony 06 absolutely>>>>>>>>WW Guerrero now

[4Corners]

and you're wrong man
Tony was a titlist for 5 yrs, knocking out contenders left and right
Guerrero has 2 good UD wins, and he's a blown up LW
WW Tony 06 absolutely>>>>>>>>WW Guerrero now

Not contenders who were really all that great or any better than Aydin. That's all.

I mean Antonio Diaz, Andrew Lewis, Danny Perez, Hercules Kyvelos (can't remember how to spell it), Manuel Gomez, I mean really???

Selcuk Aydin may not be a world beater, but he's at the least on the level of these guys, a contender and he was in the Top 10.

And beating Berto > beating those guys.

[RapidFire26]

Who knows how long Margarito was cheating. It is good Mayweather didn't fight him in retrospect since no one should be subjected to being hit by plastered gloves.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Okay hear me out.

We have many people claiming Mayweather-Margarito would have somehow been a defining fight for Floyd and one that he absolutely had to have in Late 2006, when the fight was being discussed. They say it was such an important fight for him and it would have been a big win for him.

On the other hand, Guerrero is somehow looked at as a terrible opponent for Floyd, and is seen as a "cherry pick" for Mayweather. They say all Guerrero has done at 147 is beat Aydin, who was Top 10 but didn't have really any big wins at the weight, and Berto, who was overrated and hadn't done all that much at the weight for that to be warranted a good win.

But let's examine what Margarito and Guerrero had done, as well as their couple notable wins at 147 prior to being a possible Mayweather opponent.

Margarito's wins at 147 prior to 2006: Antonio Diaz, Andrew Lewis, Kermit Cintron. Diaz had never really done anything at 147 aside from getting TKO'd by Mosley. Lewis had won a vacant title but his most notable thing he'd done was get beat by Mayorga. Cintron was completely unproven the first time Margarito beat him, hadn't done anything yet. So while these were wins over Top 10 fighters, how proven were they, for us to say Margarito was a huge fight and a must have fight for Mayweather???

Guerrero's wins at 147 prior to 2013: Selcuk Aydin and Andre Berto. Aydin was completely unproven at the weight, but was also Top 10 just as someone like Cintron was at the time. Berto was a former 2x champ at the weight, and had a few wins over the likes of Collazo, Quintana, Urango, and Zaveck. Not huge wins, but better than what Diaz, Lewis, and Cintron had done prior to losing to Margarito.

So the question is........how did Margarito's wins over Diaz/Lewis/Cintron make him a huge fight for Mayweather, but Guerrero with his wins over Aydin and Berto, how is he still a cherry pick and a stiff???

After all, his notable wins at 147, his opponents were just as proven at the weight as Margarito's were.

That is all very true and should be pointed out to those who use Margarito's resume as a reason why Floyd should have fought him. That said, Margarito seemed to have a bigger punch than Guerrero and also had much more of a size advantage over Floyd. I can see why that fight would have been in much more of a demand than a Guerrero fight.

[4Corners]

That is all very true and should be pointed out to those who use Margarito's resume as a reason why Floyd should have fought him. That said, Margarito seemed to have a bigger punch than Guerrero and also had much more of a size advantage over Floyd. I can see why that fight would have been in much more of a demand than a Guerrero fight.

Best response in the thread.

[Jack Napier]

Not contenders who were really all that great or any better than Aydin. That's all.

I mean Antonio Diaz, Andrew Lewis, Danny Perez, Hercules Kyvelos (can't remember how to spell it), Manuel Gomez, I mean really???

Selcuk Aydin may not be a world beater, but he's at the least on the level of these guys, a contender and he was in the Top 10.

And beating Berto > beating those guys.

ok man, in plain English:

1 Tony's overall body of work at the time
2 the manner of his victories
3 the fact that he was the legitimate #1 ranked WW contender
4 the fact that physically, he was a real WW

makes him a much better win for Floyd at the time if Floyd had fought him and beat him than a win over Robert Guerrero would be right now

head's about to explode, checking out of this thread now

[4Corners]

I just don't view beating Diaz, Gomez, Hercules, Perez, Lujan as better wins than Aydin or Berto, pretty equal really.

The only difference is Margarito was stopping his opponents, Guerrero is beating the two Top 10 WW's he's fought by decision. So in that respect, as well as the huge size advantage he would have had, I can accept those reasons. His opposition, not so much.

[4Corners]

Destroyed in your own thread

Not really. We're talking about the opposition both had faced going into the possibly of the Floyd fight. Margarito's wasn't any better than Guerrero's, he'd just had more ehhhhh "contenders" on there since he'd been at the weight longer. His wins going in weren't better than Guerrero's. About equal really.

[GoldSugar]

Hell Floyd even agreed to the Margarito fight as long as Arum would get the Oscar fight right after.

Arum said nope.

[MVOLT]

TS is a known racially bias black power phaggot