Mayweather vs Guerrero/Margarito question

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    #81
    Originally posted by 4Corners
    You say Floyd shouldn't fight Guerrero.....than proceed to mention Lara, Bundrage, and Molina as opponents.......wow

    Trout would be a good fight, but absolutely no one in the world is calling for that fight, not even Trout himself. Alvarez needs to actually beat a legit good fighter at 154 first, than we can talk.

    What had Diaz, Lewis, and Cintron done at the time Margarito beat them, to be considered such better wins than Aydin and Berto in 2012????

    Those 3 guy's would trash Guerrero. Do you really think this going to be a competitive fight? Nobody thinks this gonna be close, thats why people are shyting on it and calling it a cherrypick.

    Oh and this Diaz would have destroyed Aydin and Berto



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      #82
      Originally posted by liraj
      You're in the minority here man. I usually agree with you but you're way off on this one.

      Oh and there were plenty of other options. Floyd's the 154lb champ right? He could have fought Alvarez, Trout, Bundrage, Molina, Lara, I'm sure Sergio would have came down to 154 if floyd wanted the fight. All those guy's beat Guerrero too.

      Floyd's obviously taking the easiest fight here.
      Apart from Canelo (who am sure he would fighting next) and probably trout, the other names you are mentioning is just plain ******ed on your part, you really would take a Mayweather-Molina, bundrage, Lara fight over a Guerrero fight? And Martinez would be a zombie at 154 only idiots would call for that fight at 154 instead of 160.

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        #83
        Originally posted by liraj
        Those 3 guy's would trash Guerrero. Do you really think this going to be a competitive fight? Nobody thinks this gonna be close, thats why people are shyting on it and calling it a cherrypick.

        Oh and this Diaz would have destroyed Aydin and Berto


        Those 3 would probably beat him? At what weight?

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          #84
          Originally posted by Ray*
          Those 3 would probably beat him? At what weight?

          The weight that Floyd's champ at, 154.

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            #85
            Originally posted by liraj
            Those 3 guy's would trash Guerrero. Do you really think this going to be a competitive fight? Nobody thinks this gonna be close, thats why people are shyting on it and calling it a cherrypick.

            Oh and this Diaz would have destroyed Aydin and Berto



            The most legit thing Antonio Diaz ever did at 147 prior to fighting Margarito was get stopped in 6 rounds by Shane Mosley.

            What had Lewid, Diaz, and Cintron done prior to 2006 that made them such better wins than Aydin and Berto in 2012???

            Throwing Bundrage, Molina, and Lara in as possible fights for Floyd and than coming back with "Guerrero isn't a legit fight" is flat out ignorant and ******. Sorry. Molina's had a draw with Lara, beat Cintron, and a DQ with Kirkland. Lara had a draw with Molina, what should have been a W over Williams, and a draw with Vanes. And than Cornelius Bundrage....are you f**king serious???

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              #86
              Originally posted by 4Corners
              I completely agree Floyd could be blamed for Margarito not happening, probably due to him targeting Mosley and De La Hoya at the time, and not doing business with Arum. But Floyd could take blame for Margarito not happening.

              Williams, I don't believe that "duck". He didn't get a legit win until Summer 07' against Margarito, than Floyd fought #8 P4P and unbeaten Hatton, someone else he was supposedly ducking. Than Williams proceeded to lose to Quintana. There was no duck there in my opinion.
              Originally posted by Ray*
              Sometimes hype also plays a part, Margarito was hyped but he was also the longest serving champ at the time, Some believe his pressure and size would be a worthy challenge for the smaller Mayweather and to be honest I agree with that sentiment, am not claiming he would beat Mayweather but I think his size would have troubled a moving Mayweather, I don't think Williams was close to anything related to Mayweather, Mayweather retired in 2007 after the Hatton fight and Williams was still making steps to be a known name around that time.
              I don't see the big difference in Guerrero and Williams or Ortiz for that matter situation besides the fact of who Floyd chose to fight.....

              They're both still making steps to be a known name at the weight right (Guerrero Ortiz and at a time Williams)??? I see parallels in the Guerrero-Berto win Oriz-Berto win and Williams-Margarito win..... All coming off the biggest wins of their career and fight of the year candidates...... Do you think its a coincidence he just happened to match up better with both Guerrero and Ortiz???

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                #87
                Originally posted by liraj
                The weight that Floyd's champ at, 154.
                Condering Guerrero's never fought at 154, you may be right. But that's like saying "Well Golovkin would murder Canelo at 160, so Floyd should fight Golovkin instead of Canelo". It makes no sense.

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by MJ223
                  I don't see the big difference in Guerrero and Williams or Ortiz for that matter situation besides the fact of who Floyd chose to fight.....

                  They're both still making steps to be a known name at the weight right (Guerrero Ortiz and at a time Williams)??? I see parallels in the Guerrero-Berto win Oriz-Berto win and Williams-Margarito win..... All coming off the biggest wins of their career and fight of the year candidates...... Do you think its a coincidence he just happened to match up better with both Guerrero and Ortiz???
                  Might of had more to do with in 2007 there was a Ricky Hatton to fight. He was Top 10 P4P, unbeaten, and someone else Floyd was supposedly ducking. That was a better fight for him in 2007 than Paul Williams, and than Williams-Floyd went completely out of the winder in 2008 when he lost to Quintana, avenged it, than moved up in weight.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by liraj
                    The weight that Floyd's champ at, 154.
                    So your logic to Guerroro getting worked over is not at a weight he fights at but a weight that his opponent (Mayweather) holds a belt at? Right? Lol oh my God!

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by American Dream
                      this thread isnt saying Guerrero would beat Marg..I believe Marg>>Guerrero in terms of who wins..this is about their resumes at the point in time a Floyd fight was propositioned..and in that case..they are equal. (at the times)

                      TS..you wont get an answer..ppl will just keep saying Marg was a better WW, stronger, bigger..etc..they wont address your point, cause its a solid statement and it cant be refuted because the resume speaks for itself!
                      Did you miss my post???

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