Has Froch surpassed Calzaghe's achievements?

[ghost deini]

yep... if calzaghe fought the kind of comp froch did, outside the UK like froch did, Calzaghe would not be undefeated

thats exactly what the **** im saying

[RichCCFC]

Froch had to fight on the road because he wasn't as big as Calzaghe was.

[KickAzz]

Froch had to fight on the road because he wasn't as big as Calzaghe was.

yeah, and that's why Calzaghe doesn't get as much credit as Froch does

[gmc_rfc_06]

He surpassed Calzaghe's achievements a few fights ago IMO, he's simply increasing the gap at this stage.

The things that Froch has done are quite amazing, Calzaghe wouldn't have had the stones to try half of what Froch has.

[shinobi108]

ONLY COUNTING A-CLASS FIGHTERS

Calzaghe:

Roy Jones
Bernard Hopkins
Mikkel Kessler
Chris Eubanks


VS


Carl Froch:

Jermain Taylor
Glen Johnson
Andre Dirrell
Lucian Bute
Mikkel Kessler
Jean Pascal
Arthur Abraham
Andre Ward

Carls not Done yet his got another run + lightheavyweight run to go as he saiD anD his resumes alreaDy far greater

[PACnPBFsuck]

Froch had to fight on the road because he wasn't as big as Calzaghe was.

Bute was the champion, plus he can pack a bigger house in Montreal than Froch in the UK, so your logic is ******.

It real simple, Froch challenged himself, this is what Calzaghe did......

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[gmc_rfc_06]

ONLY COUNTING A-CLASS FIGHTERS

Calzaghe:

Roy Jones
Bernard Hopkins
Mikkel Kessler
Chris Eubanks


VS


Carl Froch:

Jermain Taylor
Glen Johnson
Andre Dirrell
Lucian Bute
Mikkel Kessler
Jean Pascal
Arthur Abraham
Andre Ward

Carls not Done yet his got another run + lightheavyweight run to go as he saiD anD his resumes alreaDy far greater

3 of Calzaghe's 4 were also past their best. Jones was a shadow (yet still floored Joe), Eubank was done and B-Hop while still good, was 43 and winning until he ran out of gas...he also floored Calzaghe.

Froch's opponent list is far more impressive, as is the manner he fought. No need for a few hundred pitty-pat slaps from the Cobra.

[#1Assassin]

Ofcourse froch has a better legacy than calzaghe, i thought so before this fight and now its not even up for debate. People bring up carls losses but if joe fought frochs competition he would have losses too. The bottom line is one of them is arguably the most protected fighter in history with only two good wons on his resume one being a gift decision. While the other fought nothing but the best back to back and performing exceptonally well, better than the aforementioned fighter would in the same position. Frochs resume completely ****s on calzaghes resume and the same thing goes for their legacies. Calzaghe was very good, froch is great.

[IronDanHamza]

Yes, I get the sentiment, but sentiment doesn't equal a good record. Froch is amazing, I like him more, he has taken on a better body of opposition in his last eight fights, but overall it simply doesn't make his accomplishments better altogether.

You can talk about Calzacky not fighting such and such in his prime or whatever, but overall he fought a decent set of champs etc and had a great career. Froch is a warrior through and through but overall he just wasn't as good. People of forget, of course, about guys like Robin Reid, Woodhall, Brewer etc, who would be up in the mix as champions right now too. It's easy to forget that Calzachy didn't just beat Lacy, Kessler, Bopkins and Jones. All of Froch's wins are fresh in our memory and they have been at a consistently high level. But, just fighting at a consistently high level doesn't mean you get props for losing still or simply for fighting guys.

Put it this way: Two best guys Froch fought, Kessler and Ward, he lost to. The two best guys Calzacky fought, Bopkins and Kessler, he beat. One common opponent, Kessler, beat Froch and lost to Calzacky.

Before anyone starts bringing up shot fighters, that's fine, just take out Taylor, Johnson and Reid for Froch. You're left with three people he beat, Abraham, Bute, and Pascal who were champions.

Fighting a bunch of ****e in between fighting the top guys and the champions doesn't mean you didn't fight those champions and win. Calzacky fought good champions, as shown below, and all the guys that were champions around his time, bar one or two like Ottke etc. The following list doesn't include guys like top contenders Andre Dirrell, because despite being a good win, he's not a champion and never has been so far. If I was to include him, I'd have to include the top contenders of Calzacky like Sakio Bika, Omar Sheika, David Starie, Juan Carlos Gimenez, Mario Veit etc etc etc. These guys were all title challengers, interim champs etc etc too. Dirrell, despite being talented and a hype job hasn't done **** so far apart from lose to Froch and have a weird DQ win with Abraham. He's beaten one champion, Abraham, so right now he's comparable to someone like Bika or Starie who has one big win too over undefeated Woods. I'm sure he'll become champ at some point, then we can include him. Until then, he's still just a contender.

Calzacky: 2 time, 2 division lineal champion at 168 (Unified/Undisputed) and 175 (Ring). 21 defenses at 168 and 1 defense at 175.
Roy Jones
Bernard Hopkins
Mikkel Kessler
Jeff Lacy
Chris Eubanks
Robin Reid
Richie Woodhall
Charles Brewer
Byron Mitchell

Carl Froch: 3 time champion at 168. 3 title defenses.
Robin Reid
Jermain Taylor
Glen Johnson
Lucian Bute
Jean Pascal
Arthur Abraham

Froch is great, he's current and unafraid of challenges, but he's not better than Calzacky.

Richie Woodhall? Byron Mitchell? Charles Brewer?

Those names just show how unbelievably weak Calzaghe's resume is when names like this have to be used to stack up his resume.

Roy Jones and Chris Eubank? Neither ranked in a Top 10 list across the board worldwide.

The only fighter's Calzaghe beat who were in the Top 5 at his weight class were Lacy, Hopkins and Kessler. Other than that, about 2 or 3 more who were in the Top 10. That'a a joke. No other way to look at it, really.

Right now, it's probably Calzaghe for the Hopkins win but Froch absolutely has a better resume at 168. I can't even see how that's even debatable to be honest.

Froch is one win away from taking him over on the ATG list IMO.

[JK1700]

Absolutley not. Calzaghe beat Kessler and Hopkins and both of those guys are much better than anyone that Froch has beaten. Carl Froch had a good win last night and he does have 4 or 5 solid wins on his resume and I give him credit for that but let's not be ridiculous here. Calzaghe has a much deeper resume and he unified all of the belts in his division and beat one of the best boxers of all time in Bernard Hopkins. Froch beat Bute but I wasn't particularly impressed with his performance and the stoppage looked a little premature to me. Let's put him in there with Kessler again and see what he can do. I hold the opinion that he has not surpassed Calzaghe's achievements and that he will probably lose again if he faces Kessler. I do think it would be another entertaining fight though.