Has Froch surpassed Calzaghe's achievements?

[SergioMaravilla]

Whilst Calzaghe stayed in Wales facing his Mandatories, the likes of Hopkins, Jones, Toney, Wright etc. all were shifting divisions in super fights making history and insanes amount of money.

Joe stayed in SMW when it was at its weakest in history (Worst than the HW and CW division at the time).

The point is, Joe was a talented boxer, but made no attempts to make a super fight.

Consider that by the time Joe won his first world title against Eubank at SMW, Toney was campaigning at CW! Winky Wright's prime was at 154, Joe was at 168. As for Jones and Hopkins, read this,






"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.



As for Jones Jr,

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=1qeXpJlLNzs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=1jVrFZDxZS0

6:45 in. "For 2 years Calzaghe has chased pound for pound number one Roy Jones, but to no avail".




Then look at Jones own comments

Former four-division champion Roy Jones Jr, speaking with The Sunday Times, responded to Joe Calzaghe's recent claim of chasing Jones for several years and being brushed aside. Calzaghe spoke with The Sunday Mirror and appeared to have some newfound hostility when Jones' name came up.

"I spent five or six years chasing Jones and he acted like he never even knew my name," said Calzaghe. "Suddenly, I beat Hopkins in Vegas and Jones wants to be my neighbor - it's ridiculous. If a fight with Jones made sense from a cash point of view, then it could happen, but he is notorious for asking for too much money."

Jones says that he viewed Calzaghe as a possible opponent several years ago, but at the time he saw no reason to travel to Wales to chase the fight. Now that Calzaghe is the bigger star, Jones is willing to make the fight anywhere.

“I saw Joe as a potential opponent a long time ago,” Jones said. “But I had my eyes on higher things, such as winning the heavyweight title, so it was nothing against Joe, I love everything about him. He’s a fun guy, an entertaining guy, a good person. We took some pictures together with his sons after the fight on Saturday and we’ve talked on the phone. But boxing is business. When I was the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world it wouldn’t have been smart for me to go and fight Joe.

”You don’t go to somebody else when you’re the best, they must come to you, so I wouldn’t take the risk, and why would I? Why would I meet that challenge when I’m already the best? Why would I go to your country and give you a chance to allow the powers that be to take a close decision and give it to you?"

Jones says a fight with Calzaghe is the best fight in boxing, even better than a possible rematch between Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr, scheduled for September.

“But right now this is the best fight out there, better than the Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather rematch because we all know what the outcome of that fight is going to be – another win for Floyd. You don’t know the outcome of this fight, however, so it’s a fight people are going to want to see. There’s suspense, and that’s what makes for a big fight," Jones says.




Joe wanted the big fights all along, he was avoided by prime Jones and prime Hopkins like the plague. They knew Joe could beat them and take the big money out of their pockets.

[RichCCFC]

always love the noobs who bring up Toney as a person Calzaghe should have fought.

[STREET CLEANER]

Froch has fought more top prime fighters in a row that Joe has fought in his entire career.

[RichCCFC]

Froch has fought more top prime fighters in a row that Joe has fought in his entire career.

Fought? Not beaten?

Prime as in Johnson, Taylor?

[dannnnn]

Has Froch surpassed Calzaghe's achievements?

Not even close.

Froch deservedly gets credit for facing eight top opponents in a row, but he lost two of those fights (one was lopsided), got a very debatable decision over Dirrell and was lucky to salvage a very late come-from-behind win over a faded Taylor. He could easily be 4-4 in his last eight fights, and the MD win over Johnson wasn't overly impressive either.

His best three wins are Pascal, Abraham and Bute.

He can still add to his career, of course, but unless he wins some very big fights in future (rematches with both Kessler and Ward for starters), he won't surpass Calzaghe.

[Jamesv3]

Who cares froch could of boxed joe 10 times and would still of lost them all joe was an elite level fighter where as Carl froch Is hard and determined but lacks boxing skill

[sunny31]

Consider that by the time Joe won his first world title against Eubank at SMW, Toney was campaigning at CW! Winky Wright's prime was at 154, Joe was at 168. As for Jones and Hopkins, read this,






"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

As for Jones Jr,

http://********/xBHwB9_dJ9s?t=28m57s

http://********/QhSxpemf838?t=26m45s


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=1qeXpJlLNzs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=1jVrFZDxZS0

6:45 in. "For 2 years Calzaghe has chased pound for pound number one Roy Jones, but to no avail".



Then look at Jones own comments

Former four-division champion Roy Jones Jr, speaking with The Sunday Times, responded to Joe Calzaghe's recent claim of chasing Jones for several years and being brushed aside. Calzaghe spoke with The Sunday Mirror and appeared to have some newfound hostility when Jones' name came up.

"I spent five or six years chasing Jones and he acted like he never even knew my name," said Calzaghe. "Suddenly, I beat Hopkins in Vegas and Jones wants to be my neighbor - it's ridiculous. If a fight with Jones made sense from a cash point of view, then it could happen, but he is notorious for asking for too much money."

Jones says that he viewed Calzaghe as a possible opponent several years ago, but at the time he saw no reason to travel to Wales to chase the fight. Now that Calzaghe is the bigger star, Jones is willing to make the fight anywhere.

“I saw Joe as a potential opponent a long time ago,” Jones said. “But I had my eyes on higher things, such as winning the heavyweight title, so it was
nothing against Joe, I love everything about him. He’s a fun guy, an entertaining guy, a good person. We took some pictures together with his sons after the fight on Saturday and we’ve talked on the phone. But boxing is
business. When I was the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world it wouldn’t have been smart for me to go and fight Joe.

”You don’t go to somebody else when you’re the best, they must come to you, so I wouldn’t take the risk, and why would I? Why would I meet that challenge when I’m already the best? Why would I go to your country and give you a chance to allow the powers that be to take a close decision and give it to you?"

Jones says a fight with Calzaghe is the best fight in boxing, even better than a possible rematch between Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr, scheduled for September.

“But right now this is the best fight out there, better than the Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather rematch because we all know what the outcome of that fight is going to be – another win for Floyd. You don’t know the outcome of this fight, however, so it’s a fight people are going to want to see. There’s suspense, and that’s what makes for a big fight," Jones says.

Joe wanted the big fights all along, he was avoided by prime Jones and prime Hopkins like the plague. They knew Joe could beat them and take the big money out of their pockets.

People will still blame Joe, for some reason it is easier for Boxing fans to blame him, especially Americans. I have always been aware of the history, but people believe what they want. His detractors always look at his career and think he took the easy road, took some challenges at the end and rode off into the sunset. Funny thing is if you read his autobiography, it is full of regret and bitterness, and you actually end up feeling a little sorry for him. But at the end of the day he had a great career, one of the best fighters of his era, without a doubt.