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So, im gonna be the one to ask, Cotto tonight vs Cotto from Pac fight....

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  • #61
    You guys are nuts, Pacquaio still beats him down, styles make fiights man. Cotto was 28 and was a WW who could easily make weight than. Yiu guy seem to forget whjo got knocked down when they tried bullying Pacquaio on the ropes and who was the one running to survive, and that Cotto basically quit after 6.
    Last edited by street bully; 05-06-2012, 10:44 AM.

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    • #62
      The same..

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Bushbaby View Post
        You're a Pacman fan that's why you're saying that. It's clear as day that last nights Cotto is better than a 145 Cotto. 1 simple question, if Cotto was no different why a 145lb catchweight?? Also why did Pacman choose Cotto in 2012 but why did he want the fight at 147 with 148 being the highest?? I'll tell you why, because without a weight advantage clearly in Pacman's favor, he gets worked.
        Are you serious, you actually think a 31 year old cotto is better than a 28 year old fighting at WW where he made his career, come on man. Cotto himself said he made the weight easily, do not forget he also tried pressuring Pacquaio off the ropes and got blast dropped, hurt, and almost knocked out for it. The difference was Pacquaio faught him smarter by overwhelming cotto which is how you beat him, he was also faster at 145, but looked super slow to pacquaio who at that point was super quick.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Bushbaby View Post
          You're a Pacman fan that's why you're saying that. It's clear as day that last nights Cotto is better than a 145 Cotto. 1 simple question, if Cotto was no different why a 145lb catchweight?? Also why did Pacman choose Cotto in 2012 but why did he want the fight at 147 with 148 being the highest?? I'll tell you why, because without a weight advantage clearly in Pacman's favor, he gets worked.
          Cotto's recorded weight for the Clottey fight - five months before fighting Pacquiao - was 146. For the Pacquiao fight he came in at 145. Are you saying this one pound made the difference between a thorough domination for Pacquiao and a clear win for Cotto?

          Don't wish a rematch with Pacquiao on Cotto at any weight. The guy fought his ass off to give Mayweather a tough fight, but doesn't deserve to be put back in with Pacquiao who would simply kill him again. Styles make fights. Pacquiao is not a good match-up for Cotto. The only reason it might look a little more competitive a second time around at first is because Pacquiao shouldn't be fighting over 150. He and his camp said as much after the Margarito win, despite thoroughly dominating him. When you're 5'6 with short arms and perform best under 150 on fight night, it makes no sense to fight guys who are coming in at 165 on fight night.

          Come on, don't just be fanboys picking sides. Get over it and just enjoy boxing.

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          • #65
            I dont like Cotto vs. Pac at 154 Pounds. Hell they wouldnt even fight him at 147.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by mikemurni View Post
              You are a moron who is fixated on weight.. The fact that those fighters where never drained (except for Oscar).. It was more on style and the fact that they never fought like they were drained, they were just outclassed.. And lol on Hatton being 153.. so what..that's your MO right.. weight..Well he was not at his best weight.. .lol..

              And really you have 4 fights (OScar, hatton, DLH, Cotto) wherein Pac looked better than Floyd.. And all of them you have every form of excuse.. That's kinda sad for you, right?..lol
              If you ever boxed or wrestled and had to make weight you would know what 2 pounds means.

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              • #67
                People forget Miguel looked fantastic in the first few rounds against Manny, and his jab was causing Pac all sorts of problems.

                What people need to understand that weight wasn't the issue - what changed that fight was that uppercut Manny landed, which Miguel never recovered from.

                Manny also adjusted, start countering over Miguel's jab.

                It was a pretty brilliant performance overall, which is now getting overlooked cos of the ****** catchweight ****. But then, Freddie should never have insisted upon it at the time, it was unnecessary.

                Miguel looked better last night cos he's always looked better against speedy boxers than come-forward pressure fighters who throws combinations.

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                • #68
                  Pac's leftovers...

                  I'd say about the same.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Ottke's Twin View Post
                    People forget Miguel looked fantastic in the first few rounds against Manny, and his jab was causing Pac all sorts of problems.

                    What people need to understand that weight wasn't the issue - what changed that fight was that uppercut Manny landed, which Miguel never recovered from.

                    Manny also adjusted, start countering over Miguel's jab.

                    It was a pretty brilliant performance overall, which is now getting overlooked cos of the ****** catchweight ****. But then, Freddie should never have insisted upon it at the time, it was unnecessary.

                    Miguel looked better last night cos he's always looked better against speedy boxers than come-forward pressure fighters who throws combinations.
                    Thank you. Why do pac haters who say they know boxing likes to forge what really happened during the Pac-Cotto fight? They end up being trolls and idiots who just can't stop saying Cotto was drained. Did these people even see the damn fight? Cotto gave pac lots of problems first few rounds, and he looked good until he got HIT.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by mikemurni View Post
                      How about punch resistance.. How about being slower, sluggish when adding more weight.. How about the fact that your timing, instincts become a tad slower when you move up..How about the fact that your punches may not be as effective landing at the higher weights..Hmmm...

                      And since you brought up that topic... Pac was actually moving down on weight when he fought Hatton.. so if we follow that logic of yours then Pac was in a disadvantage when he fought Hatton...So which makes that a better win than Floyd's..

                      In my point of view is not about weight.. Pac is just a better fighter than Cotto, and there was nothing Cotto could have done in that fight.. Pac's style was just fit to Cotto's style.. And its not like the weight was the cause of his lose.. The same goes for Mosley, and Hatton..

                      And lol on JMM being not slow when he fought May...
                      You are an idiot, plain and simple. If you move up in weight your CHIN/PUNCH RESISTANCE can get better not worse. Yea, the guys might hit harder, but when have been DRAINED it is called that for a reason, you will be weaker. I'll put it this way, Cotto having to make 145 meant nearly NOT EATING. Seriously, these guys burn at least 4-6000 calories a day, when you are Cotto's size there (big bones) you can't lose anymore weight at a certain point.

                      Go fight some guy on the street, but you can't eat nothing but crackers for two days. Manny can eat what he wants, as he fights comfortably at 147 don't even sit here and tell me that you can take a punch, give a punch and have better stamina. And it isn't like that is the only thing that has gotten better with Cotto, now that he isn't training himself (like I've been saying for YEARS) his technique and ring intelligence have also gotten back to elite levels. Cotto was BOXING with ****ing Floyd and wasn't getting dominated at those points he had some success. The fact is sure, Manny might pressure Cotto but Cotto doesn't hit like 145 JMM, not at 154. He would have Manny more than thinking about his power, he had Floyd doing it. You don't know **** about boxing.

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